Brené Brown

Because then you're not carrying the cinder blocks that you were talking about earlier.

Right.

And if you are, because you're affected by it, then you have to acknowledge the cinder blocks.

So I think this is a really strong point on...

What happens if you have, you know, so affective empathy and cognitive empathy, just the quick differentiator.

Cognitive empathy is understanding, you know, intellectually what you're going through and being with you in that.

Affective empathy is taking on what you're feeling and that can lead to burnout and really hard, in hard things.

And so, and I think it's really interesting empathetic joy

is such a Popovich move.

The other Popovich move that I think goes along with that, there are so many, we could be here all day on great things he does.

He also scouted for

diversity in playing styles.

Have you only played in U.S.

college or do you come from international play?

Becky Hammond, first woman to be an assistant coach in the NBA, brought her on.

He also, and his coaching staff, he hired intentionally people who disagreed with him.

He did not want people who just out of reverence agreed with everything he said.

I want to talk about something that's on, it's like 30 feet long and 20 feet high in the Spurs locker room.

And it's been there for three decades.

And it's a quote that Popovich had made into a wall.