Brenda Dennehy

So when you're chatting about the social welfare, you're speaking about layabouts.

People who have no incentive to work generation after generation.

Very, very valid, Colin.

And you know, when it comes to all of that, how do you, when you're seeing all that firsthand as well, where do you have the incentive to just want to keep succeeding and rebuilding?

And you've had many failures as well.

Where's that drive from?

And even go through some of the failures, because as I said to you, I didn't know anything about your, no, I would say anyone behind success, there's many a failure.

Tell me about some of the failures, because people might know about that.

Yes, we'll chat about that.

Tobin's block.

And do you know what one saying I must say about you there now, Colin?

That was a loss, right?

And you said it didn't work out.

You were very honest about it.

You didn't reach it.

Oh, I'm going to... You said, look, this isn't viable.

Some people, some business people especially, they'll put a different ring in it.

They'll say something like, you came straight out, look, tried it, didn't work.

This is my next venture.

Rather than giving these kind of.