Brendan O'Connor

Layer of it all, yeah.

And then adopted babies themselves.

So what are they going through in their early days?

Like probably starts in the womb, does it?

You know what I mean?

And look, I know you do want to push it and you don't want to preach or anything, but I'm interested in your faith.

Let's just talk about it a little bit.

It seems to me, is your faith getting stronger as you're getting older?

Do I notice you kind of reference it more and lean on it a bit more?

And do you use a hair straightener then to kind of iron out bits and pieces?

The baby is absorbing some of that.

Okay, speaking about hair straighteners and frizzy, damaged hair and the hot weather and everything, what about sun damage to hair and then also salt water slash chlorine damage to hair from swimming?

They come programmed.

And then, like, I know the babies were allowed to stay with their mothers for a while in some circumstances.

Other circumstances, presumably they were just taken away.

Yeah.

Okay.

And look, I know faith is a very personal thing and everything, but just give me a sense of what does it look like for you?

What does it do for you?

Could you describe it for me?