Brendan O'Connor

Listen, I know, again, this is something we won't get hugely into, but it is an interesting thing that I know your faith helped you a lot when your son Noah got a cancer diagnosis.

I don't want to ask you in detail about that.

What I want to ask you about is because... Thanks for bringing me down, man.

No, but hang on.

It's one of those moments, I think, that does clarify life and show you who you are and change things.

So what did it clarify and change for you?

Okay, so on that then, finding out who you are, right?

And obviously, nowadays when a person turns 18, they're legally entitled to their full birth file.

They can start a trace.

Historically, it wasn't that easy.

Now, people can get...

like they go access their birth points it can be one big dump it can be and presumably there's going to be a lot of stuff in there that could be distressing for you a lot of stuff you didn't know about your early years and everything oh for sure and I would recommend to anyone because there's a new acting

Do people tend to have stories and experiences?

And but again, I knew your granddad was so important to you in terms of he's the one who played you the music first.

And he is the one who kind of encouraged you, isn't he?

So you need to be ready?

Ready for it.

Michael, I have to say, I did not expect this, but I am deeply, deeply moved by this conversation, by that aspect of it, certainly.

And open-minded.

Open-minded.