Brendan O'Connor

That is a shackle.

If we freed ourselves from that idea of being difficult, you know, or being, oh God, he's just, you know, unhelpful.

Sometimes it's not our role to take that on and it's not our job to do that.

Yeah, yeah.

And sometimes we have to put those parameters around us and say, that's not me now, that's not for me.

The picture in my head now is absolutely idyllic, but I am picturing it when it's not raining and the sun is out.

And are you still a mystery to yourself?

No, and if you go down to the pub and say, God, Richard Hogan's an awful blah, blah, blah, blah, that's you down at the pub.

Because I hope people figured it out at some point.

Okay.

What about a romantic getaway for a couple then?

That's not my issue.

You're very lucky, but it's a great way to frame work as well, isn't it?

That's a you issue.

And, you know, OK, good luck.

What would be a good greenway for that?

You know, that thing of like I have to go to work today versus I get to go to work today.

Good luck with it.

You clearly think I get to go to work today.

Well, I think Irish people particularly, and I see it clinically borne out all the time,