Brendan O'Connor

I don't like to queue.

I'm unusual that way.

That's me.

I don't like queuing here and you've made me queue.

And so it's about like, you know, we all have to live in the real world and we are all inconvenienced and our boundaries can be too rigid.

Yeah.

And you think that doesn't really happen anymore now?

The way I meet with parents being too rigid is a kid transgresses, you know, goes on their real life experiences on the phone too long and they come in and they take the phone away for a week or two.

No.

Wow.

And Artie is a teacher and we see in the book as well that these kind of, call them culture wars for want of a better word, infect, start infecting education as well.

And you're kind of going, well, that's not teaching your child anything.

It's just annihilating their spirit a bit there.

Again, around this idea, because I'm talking about this with parents all the time, the fundamental boundary you have to have with your child is that you're not their best friend and that you're going to say no to them.

And that no is really important because that boundary is teaching your child.

I think one of the reasons we have a serious rise in anxiety is that kids are living and existing in boundary-less environments with their best friend.

And that is anxiety provoking for children.

Yeah, absolutely it is.

And boundaries are teaching children the do's and don'ts of the world.

They're teaching kids how to navigate the world safely, right?