Brendan O'Connor

Okay.

And so let's talk about then people who just maybe want a taste of it to try it out, because I think there's text coming in now and people are going, this sounds fabulous.

Yeah.

When you say it like that, it's kind of, I think it possibly dates back to the pandemic when we remember.

Like withdrawal, honestly, we've talked about estrangement before and we really got dug into that, right?

So if you're living, say if you're living in Dublin and you wanted to just take a few hours or a day out on a greenway, what's the sitch?

Yes.

That actually those soft, small ties can get you through the day.

But withdrawal without explanation, I think, is a bit callous at times.

OK, listen, we got distracted there.

It can be very callous.

Small talk and stuff.

As much as we've been saying about the need to be real.

People can weaponise boundaries, these ideas of boundaries, they can weaponise them.

We better talk about summer hosting.

Those little rituals.

I mightn't even know how transgressed you are.

So, OK, so look, if you want to have a gang of friends or family or whatever around in the summer.

It can be really callous and all of a sudden you just end the friendship or whatever it is.

You know, you pull your kids away from your grandparents or whatever it is because they said something.