Brené Brown

Mastroianni.

Okay.

The authors frame ending a conversation actually as a coordination problem.

The conflict is in coordinating the end, not in wanting to end.

Which is what you're saying.

Many.

I hear that all the time, every day.

I've never thought about it that way.

It does assume ownership of your time.

What if I said...

I would love to get a little bit of my own time back today and hope maybe that's helpful for you.

I think we can wrap here.

Okay.

One of the things that my takeaway from thinking about kind of how I do this and then reading this review again, which I found very helpful, is

If you really struggle with a graceful exit, we'll put this research in the, again, again, the show notes.

But I would say the shortcut here is warmth and connection and genuine warmth and connection.

I think if you have those things, it's easier to leave.

if those things are not present, I would rely on the four steps and practice it a little bit.

Because I think it's very easy for me with people I genuinely care about to say, even with people that I care about, I'm thinking about some people specifically right now, one or two people in my life who probably I don't share, we probably have different levels of how long we'd like the conversation to go.

And mine is much shorter.