Bret Weinstein

You get attached, especially him, the most popular voice on Fox News.

Yeah.

Well, it's just the rational voice is so discouraged in today's world. The rational, objective voice where you look at both sides. You look at – I see why someone would say this. I see what you're saying. I see this. Everybody immediately gets polarized. Everybody immediately connects to their ideology and changes –

The words of someone to be the least charitable version of what it is and the most heinous interpretation of who that human being is. And if you support them, you support this. And if you platform them, you platform this. And it's just nonsense. It's nonsense peddled by morons. It's a moronic way to look at the world. It really is.

bobby kennedy was a kook yeah 100 i said it's him when he came on the podcast i said i have to be honest that my version of you was connected entirely to you being an anti-vaxxer conspiracy theorist kook the dark cloud of the kennedy family this one guy who's just nuts unfortunately too bad then i read the real anthony falchion i was like hang on Yeah.

Oh, it's it's then I talked to some brilliant people that I know that recommended certain things and told me to read some other things that he had written. I'm like, oh, OK, this is another one of those. Another one. Well, there's people that meet me and they think I'm some right wing kook, you know, conspiracy theorist, asshole, mean person. It's like, okay, how do you get there?

You're getting there because someone's led you there. You're not getting there from a normal objective analysis of a person, who they are and what they stand for. That's exactly it. And with him, he's connected to that business, that business of first environment, right? So he's an environmental attorney. He cleaned up the East River and did a lot of great work.

Yeah. And he's so well measured when even dealing with these attacks, the way he handles things is so admirable.

It really is.

Right. And you're being led. You're being led by what's essentially propaganda. And it's to polarize us. It's to keep us separated and to keep us thinking that you don't have anything in common with people on the right and they're demons. You don't have anything in common with people on the left. They're loons. Like you and I are both very socially liberal. Yeah.

And the idea that you'd be sitting here saying Trump's got to win. Yeah.

It's crazy.

It's crazy, but the world's crazy. And when the world's crazy, you have to have crazy solutions.

Just I'm a biologist. Keep moving.

And what is the error? Yeah.

But can it get you to where an octopus can change its texture and completely camouflage itself to look like a coral reef?

Right. Right. Or to a human. Right. True to a human.

True believer.

Believes in resurrection.

So do you think there's a process that it's yet to be discovered? There's something else going on?