Brian Hayes

V-E-N-N.

Venn.

It's where multiple factors in a common equation and the ones that overlap are part of a similar result.

What I liked about it, though, Hayes, is that the Venn diagram, the overlapping part that you need to be successful is a sliding scale.

Because what the Leafs have proven in the regular season, you can do a lot more with a bucket full of skill and a bucket that's not so tough on the grit or the jam or the juice or whatever term we want to say that.

But in the playoffs, that pivots where the skill is not as important and you need more of that, whatever you want to call it, grit, jam, juice, competitive spirit.

And I think that's right.

And I find myself agreeing with you, Hayes, pretty wholeheartedly, but I'm like, I think that's right.

It is, but Johnny, my question... It's been 10 years and they've shown they can be good, but they...

I don't know if they can win, win it all with this and with the culture that's been established by the top five guys.

And it's not the top five guys aren't great people and great players and Hall of Fame players and maybe the most talented players of all time on this organization.

But to have all five of them, as you've mentioned several times, wired so similarly, that is a challenge.

You can have one guy wired like that, but not all five.

Well, I mean, I think they got to game seven against a Stanley Cup winner.

So to suggest that they were miles away from being a Stanley Cup contender.

He comes second.

Yeah, but you don't think they beat whoever.

Who did Florida play in the third round?

Carolina?

You don't think they could beat Carolina?