Brian Koppelman

We were talking about a thing, a bit for the podcast where people could call in and say, Hey, Jonas.

And then I wrote down on my little notepad, Hey, Jonas, and offered it up as a potential title for the podcast.

Oh, wow.

But thanks for remembering that, guys.

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I mean, the same, listen, this is what the great thing is, because the truth is having the one lesson is great, but when you have two, like in many things, I always, I think in terms of, I'm not incredibly numerate, I'm not like a math guy, but

I do think that one instance of something is just like a point on a graph, but when there are two, you can plot it.

It's a line and it's a direction.

And so seeing this experience with Tracy and then with Rounders, where it was really rejected and the same people who rejected it, every agency, all the famous agencies rejected the script.

And then the moment the script sold,

all those same agencies and all those same people, agents, called trying to sign David and me off the script.

And I read them all what the bad shit they said about the script was the first time.

And, you know, they all denied it or I didn't really read it.

My...

assistant did or my reader or another partner.

And it was like, oh, these people are engaged in a groupthink.

They are rarely taking a risk.

They also haven't yet learned to be responsible for their own decisions or to... Most, I think, people like you, Michael, and what I try to do is we're all wrong a lot.