Brian Koppelman

It's like, we'd be fine with each other.

And that's really what you end up, you know, my buddy Jocko, who again, we don't have all the same beliefs and Jocko early on said,

He's like, yeah, when I, he said this publicly online to someone about me, he's like, yeah, I'm not going to sit with compliment and just talk about politics.

Right.

I'm going to talk about Led Zeppelin.

Yeah.

I'm going to talk about Led Zeppelin and I'm going to talk about weightlifting and we're going to be great.

And I'm going to talk about having kids and we're going to, that's, we're going to start there.

And if we start there, then the rest of it goes to the end.

If we started that other place, we'll never get to kids in Led Zeppelin.

Yeah, it's really interesting because what happens to us chemically,

is you tell me that and I think of, well, fundamentalism is really bad in all its forms, right?

And I'm immediately, my reaction hearing about that, not meeting the key from afar, it's like, well, can you be a good person and be a fundamentalist?

Polygamist, I don't know.

But you met the person.

Right.

And you engaged with the person and you found common ground.

And there's a real value in that because actually you understand the way someone thinks in that situation and you can see the humanity in them.

And the more we can see the humanity in people whose belief systems are wildly different from us, the more we can actually find a language to talk about change.

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