Brian McDermott

Yeah.

Well, we've got to get there first.

The humility.

The humility means we're playing Tonga first.

And we know how to good Tonga up.

right and then we're playing France and they've got Trent Robinson in their camp I don't know Lauren Frazen who they're probably haven't pronounced his name properly I know their coach really well and then we've got PNG after that so they're not easy games we've got to get those through those three games

Well, we've got a challenge for sure.

We've got to lean into that challenge.

And this is where, rather than talk about winning all the time, which, again, I reckon that's one of the things that England doesn't do well, is recognise and have enough humility to recognise, well, what are our chances?

Tonga's a good team.

We need to be really good to beat Tonga.

So we've got to prepare really well.

we've got to land in Perth really well prepared we can't fuck fart about with our preparation there'll be no players in the squad thinking that their talent will get them through the game I promise you that we've got to be aware of the threat of Tonga and then as I say France will pose a challenge no doubt and then PND like all common teams if you don't get your first 20 minutes right against them they're coming out the blocks aren't they so absolutely they are just don't get knocked off

Well, listen, people can talk about what they want, can't they?

And what they want and what...

And what the reality is are two very different things, aren't they?

People want things.

Yeah, I think it's really simple.

I don't know if anybody came out of last year's Ashes series, and I don't mean just specifically last year's Ashes series, but recent tournaments over the last...

name it because i'm going to say i don't know how many people come out of it with pride there have been some performances over the last 40 years some performers where you go jesus that were good yeah and we beat australia beat new zealand right you know i know steve mack won an asha series against against new zealand in the three tests over in the uk so it hasn't been without its highs but it's been there's a lot of laws as well uh