Brian Verne

And there are many times where we haven't paid ourselves.

If things are not going as well, then you just don't pay yourself.

No.

It's funny.

We've learned to become incredibly resourceful.

Yeah.

Although it was much easier when we were living in Cleveland when my rent was like $350 a month.

But that being said, I found a really, really inexpensive place to live in NOPA.

Somehow I found this place that's really not too bad.

But there's been times where we've literally maxed out credit cards and

have, uh, you know, been, you know, down to, um, you know, the last literally, you know, penny or cent, but, uh, you know, we really believe in what we're doing.

And, and, you know, we also, you know, our, I think right at the tipping point of, of, uh,

really explosive growth.

It's exciting.

Some folks place different amounts of value on different things.

For me, I don't think you can even place a monetary value on the experiences that we've had and the type of people that we've had a chance to work with and meet.

Sure, I probably could have chosen a career path where

it would have been more fruitful in terms of, you know, pure dollars and cents, uh, you know, at this point, but at the same time, you can't really replicate the experiences that we've had.

And, uh, like I said, uh, at the end of the day, we really, really believe in what we're doing.

It's a domain that, you know, we were once part of, uh, when I say we, you know, my founding partner, Mike and I, you know, both were college athletes and, you know, a couple of other folks on my team, you know, played college and pro sports.