Brittany Luce

I think that's also what we're seeing in the job market, right?

Like in a low hire, low fire environment.

Again, it's like if you have a job, you're feeling maybe OK.

If you don't have a job, you feel like you're never going to get a leg up in this economy.

And it's a little discomforting to me to think about kind of people existing in such low

different circumstances because it kind of means that it's harder to understand what other people are going through.

And then it's like your reality is so different.

It's so disconnected from someone else's reality that like, how are we supposed to, you know, find community and work together for, you know, policy solutions and, you know, build bridges across social economic classes and stuff like that.

So I think about that a lot.

I really appreciate the opportunity to talk with both of you today to get some clarity around all this mess.

Thank you both so much.

Thanks for having me.

That was Waylon Wong, co-host of NPR's Indicator podcast, and Natish Pawar, staff writer for business and tech at Slate.

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