Brittany Luce

Olivia Dean is a Afro-Caribbean British singer.

songstress, who we actually have had on this show before, thank you very much.

And she kind of makes sort of pop that feels a little upbeat and nice and easy and is very much about love.

And Olivia Rodrigo, who makes, who's like a bit younger, American and makes music that is so reminiscent for me of like the sort of stuff that I liked when the kind of pop punk that was really popular when I was in middle school or high school.

But yeah, what makes Sabrina Carpenter and Olivia Rodrigo's sort of shade of heteropessimism different or kind of related to Olivia Dean's?

We hear a lot about what these singers don't like, right?

Or what they feel like their partners are lacking, to put it a little bit more softly, as some songwriters have been doing.

What have they said that they do like in their partners?

Yeah.

I mean, it's like that to the title.

It's like, does she want to get him back as in like give him his just desserts?

Or does she want to get him back as in like get him back into her life?

Yeah.

One last question.

How do you see this trend continuing?

Or do you see it lighting up in any way?

Well, Hazel, I have learned so much in this conversation.

Thank you so much for coming on and talking with us about this.

This has been a joy.

Thank you for having me.