Bruce McGowan

HubSpot is a big competitor.

So, I mean, it really depends on their growth cycle, their patterns, and where they want to go.

No, we bootstrapped it.

We're in the position right now where we're coming out with a new branding.

And that's where we're in the conversations with Gartner currently, those types of things.

I think we're moving more towards an intelligent CRM integration platform as opposed to solution-specific.

Well, we focused in on being intelligent solutions and with the ability through configuration to create the integration solution you wish.

I think now with the extensions into more CRMs, I think an intelligent CRM integration platform is where we are and how we want to brand going forward.

Are they correlated?

It's the way we started in the enterprise.

I mean, we were ACS, yeah, out of Dallas was the first customer.

I mean, the first price point was at $1.5 million.

That went down when you come to the Salesforce, the price point is what, you know, $48 per month per license per user.

So we were an enterprise engine to start with.

What we've done, we went then into specific SaaS solution focus, but what's underlying is the platform.

So as MuleSoft was acquired by Salesforce, I think that's the direction we should go as an intelligent CRM integration platform.

I'm not going to, there's other CRM vendors that are coming up like ORO, CRM, like BPM Online and others that I think would be a target market for us.

We work with about seven currently, yeah.

I think you got to focus on what's, what, Salesforce is what, 10 billion currently?

They're going to 20 billion.