C. Thi Nguyen

So it's easier to detach yourself from... It's easier to make victory just this temporary interest that you can throw away.

But I think there's this larger lesson, which is...

In institutions, often what it looks like is we set up a metric for a very good reason.

We're trying to track something.

It's hard to track.

We really want to do genuine research and de-biasing.

And we know that we can't keep track of everything that's important.

So we set up some small, simple proxy, like graduation rate or BMI.

This is, I think...

I find this question so interesting, and that suit quote, his definition of games, is a clearer answer than I found anywhere else.

So one way, I mean, the fast way of putting it is that in suits, the fast way of putting it is to say that in suits, the obstacles are the point.

But I think a richer way of putting it is that what Suits is saying is that the goals in a game are inextricably connected to constraints and obstacles and rules on getting to them.

So the way he puts it is, okay, let's say you're running a marathon.

In some sense, you're trying to get to a particular point in space.

But that's not actually what you care about.

Because if you actually cared just about that, you would take the most efficient means you could.

You would call an Uber, you would take a bicycle, you would take a shortcut.

But that doesn't count.

I think that's crucial.

That doesn't count as crossing the finish line.