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C. Thi Nguyen

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1250 total appearances

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Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

So I'm not, I mean, I think it's, okay, I think the thing you said is the, maybe I'm just being like a fussy economic philosopher here.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

Yeah, I mean, let me go back and first, like, push up what you said.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

So I think one of the most important things I learned from a lot of the historians I'm reading here in this field called science and technology studies is this idea that a lot of the times there are things that people make, that are decisions that people make, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

that go into information infrastructure.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

And when they enter information infrastructure, we forget they're there and we forget that there were decisions people made.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

And then we just think that's the way the world is, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

So one of my favorite examples, this is new, it's not in the book because I just ended up talking about it in class because of a reading.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

A philosopher named Felipe was in a discussion of like,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

Values and Measurement, about how measurements themselves can be value-laden and political, talks about the idea that intelligence is a measurable quality.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

And I think when people talk about IQ tests, they already know something like, oh, IQ tests are biased, they're biased on racial grounds, they're biased on gender grounds.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

But there's another even deeper underlying thought that he's pushing, which is the very idea that there's one thing, one quality that's intelligence,

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

that's measurable, and that we can point to and say that's the general quality that cross-cuts everything and lasts over your life, that's a very specific way of thinking about the world.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

There's very different ways of thinking about the world.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

You could think about the world as one in which there's hundreds of different capacities, which are important in different contexts, and which were measurable independently, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

But instead, we've done this thing where we've squashed them into one thing, and we've made decisions about how they're ranked.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

It took me a while to realize this, but our intelligence testing and measurement system tends to highly weight logic and mathematical ability and tends to weight barely, if at all, emotional sensitivity, right?

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

That's built into the scheme.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

But if that enters your background infrastructure, you just might walk around and think like, oh, that's just what intelligence is.

Plain English with Derek Thompson
How Metrics Make Us Miserable

There weren't any decisions that were made in that.