C. Thi Nguyen

That's just how nature is.

That's what intelligence is.

And I should just accept that.

Yeah.

And so I think a lot of the stuff you're talking about is completely right.

That in many cases, in many cases, what's going on is that the world has given us a scoring system and it's programmed it in a particular way.

It's given, it's focused us on a very specific kind of easily countable thing.

And it's often focused on a particular kind of thing that serves somebody else's interest.

And then we uptake that.

And if we don't realize it, we,

We won't even realize that we've made a choice.

We won't even realize that someone's chosen for us because we don't even realize the choice space.

We don't realize that you could have conceived of an intelligence in a different way, right?

You don't even conceive that you could have thought about health in some way that's different from HRV or whatever.

Mm-hmm.

I have the ultimate non-answer for you.

I don't think there's a way to characterize a good game in general, because I think what makes the space of games good is radical freedom of choice.

The fact that you can pick the game that suits you, your place in life, your mood at that moment, the fact that you can... I mean...

I mean, I spent a long time, I spent like an embarrassing amount of time trying to figure out the difference in games and metrics.

And the core answer I came up, the core answer I came up with is so simple, like I can't even believe it.