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Caitlin Dickerson

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425 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Most of the country can look at those videos and say, wow, that looks really scary, but then walk outside their front door and go to work and mostly have the same experience that they were used to prior.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think those videos are going to become the reality more and more in American communities because the money is there.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

As you said, the mission is there.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The mandate is there.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

The money is there.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

One of the only checks that remains are the federal courts.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And we are seeing significant challenges in federal court to some of what the Trump administration is trying to do financially.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But the courts are sort of hanging on their own right now as a check.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Congress has been quiet other than to fund this massive expansion.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So I really think that we're looking at a reality with this $170-plus billion for immigration enforcement that involves violence.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Armed law enforcement in the streets as a regular fixture of our lives, of chaotic conflicts in the streets is something that we're going to become accustomed to and massive detention centers that are going to come up and that are going to be built for the purposes of holding people and then getting them out of the country.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So the number of immigration detention facilities in use has dramatically increased since Trump took office.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And they're really just getting started with spending the $45 billion that were specifically dedicated to detention in the One Big Beautiful Bill Act.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

This means that private prison companies and counties that want to rent bed space to ICE are going to be able to profit really significantly on increasing the detained populations.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

When Biden left office, the detained population of immigrants was around 39,000 people.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Now it's 70,000 people.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You know, you need to be able to detain people to effectuate deportations.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And at times, a lack of detention space has held them back.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

There was a time last year when I was reporting in Atlanta and people who are going to the downtown ice field office for their ice check-ins were being arrested and put into immigration custody.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Many of them were folks who had temporary legal status under the Biden administration and then had that eliminated when Trump took office.