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Caitlin Dickerson

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425 total appearances

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And then a few weeks after I started reporting on this issue, I started to hear that people were going into their ICE check-ins once again and having this normal interaction where they would tell the officer what they'd been up to, where they were living, and be told to come back in six months or a year.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And I asked what the difference was, and it was just that the detention facilities in Georgia had filled up in the intervening time.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So really, who was being arrested and who wasn't had nothing to do with the circumstances of their case, with whether they were a legitimate threat to the public or not.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It was

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Is there a bed to put them in?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so I think the Trump administration really wants to eliminate the possibility that limited bed space could hold them back.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So, you know, immigration detention is legally not actually meant to be punitive, which is a little bit ironic given what we know about the health and safety conditions in detention centers.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Lots of people are dying in detention more than in years past, which is a huge concern for people.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But there's also problems with access to legal representation with adequate food and sanitation and medical care.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So the Trump administration is very much seeing this dramatic expansion of the detention system as an important part of immigration enforcement.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

That was a head-scratcher.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

It was one of the only caps that existed in the entire bill.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Everything else seems to be about sort of limitless spending.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So there's been a lot of churn on the immigration court since Trump took office.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

They've fired dozens of judges, mostly ones, it seems, who were granting too many requests for relief, requests to remain in the United States.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

and replacing them with people who they think will be more harsh.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And you're seeing that reflected in the denial rates.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So overall, asylum denial rates were around 50% when Biden left office, and now they're up to 84%.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Immigration courts are a kind of choke point for deportations because you've got someone in custody, but if they have access to a legal remedy, then they're going to fight their case.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And sometimes those cases take years.