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Caitlin Dickerson

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The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You know, what I'm hearing now is just that people are living with a really high level of panic.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And that's exactly what the Trump administration wants.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And so people without legal status in moments like this keep in really close touch with one another.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

You know, there are networks of communication.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

People use WhatsApp.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

People use Facebook to try to let one another know in advance information.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

if someone has seen ICE or if a raid is going on.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I've talked to kids who've told me that they look outside in the morning before their undocumented parent goes to work and they watch them walk out the front door, walk to their car, and that they monitor their parents obsessively, like all day on Find My on their iPhones to just try to track their parents' location.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So it's just this 24-7 paranoia that people are dealing with.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And I've talked to law enforcement officials about this, too.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I mean, specifically talking about Renee Good's death, I spoke to a bunch of officials who reviewed the video there and said from the very beginning, you know, the first officer who runs up to her car, uses expletives, tells her to get out, starts trying to force open the door.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

These officers said to me, there's no reason to not approach her and say, ma'am, can you shut off your car and please open the door?

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And that's, in fact, how you want to approach a civilian, someone who has never been arrested before, isn't used to being screamed at in the face by police.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

But they're coming at people in these arrests with such aggression that it's making people panic.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And I think that is leading to some of the more violent incidents that we're seeing, you know, people getting hurt and thrown to the ground or worse.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

One thing that can be helpful is that the Trump administration usually signals what they want to do before they do it.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

So, for example, with Title 42, the COVID era border ban, Stephen Miller tried for years to figure out a way to completely cut off access to the southern border and shut down asylum.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

And then finally, the COVID-19 pandemic came around and gave him the pretense that made White House lawyers say, OK, now is the time we can shut down the border.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

I think something similar is happening with the Insurrection Act.

The Ezra Klein Show
The Staggering Scale of Trump’s Anti-Immigrant Crackdown

Trump has been threatening to invoke the Insurrection Act since his first presidency, and it's coming up again now.