Caitlin Green

That's what I was going to say.

Like the beauty, you know, the beauty industry will always be here.

Women have been victimized by it for years, but hopefully it will have a less stupid portmanteau than looks maxing.

So I don't have to say that word ever again.

Or maybe we just won't all be victimized by beauty culture, men and women equally.

Maybe that is that a world you see happening?

I mean, let's just all say like out loud, say it yourself.

I'm good enough.

I don't need to buy this.

Caitlin Green, if I listen to the Jan Arden podcast that you co-host, what could I find on a recent episode?

Sell it to me.

Oh, speaking of good enough, we had a wonderful author on.

Her name is Kate Bowler.

She actually just recently did a live event with Jennifer Garner.

She has a brand new book out called I Think It's Joyful Mostly.

Kate, don't kill me if I've butchered that.

But anyways, it's all about finding joy amidst grief, amidst trials and tribulations of your life.

She has been through a lot herself.

She is a fabulous person and her conversation with us is not one to miss.

Caitlin, it's been a joy having you on the show.