Caitlin V

Right.

So real person doesn't really compare.

And also real person, a lot more complicated, so much more nuance going on.

watching porn, very straightforward, you're not part of the action.

I like to think about it like watching reaction videos or watching other people do stuff on the internet.

Some people are really into watching folks

Oh, there's so much, right?

To other content, right?

Or like they, you know, I remember being shocked that there was a channels where like kids opened toys and other children enjoyed watching them hold toys.

Oh, you mean the ones with hundreds of millions of views?

Yeah, I was just, for me anyways, maybe this is like giving me away as an elder millennial.

I was just sort of like, I don't really understand what we're doing here.

Like, what is the joy in doing that?

But there is something that's very safe and very like...

Sanitary about watching someone else do something.

Whereas like having sex with another person is very, very vulnerable.

It's very, it's raw, right?

It's like, it's very physical.

It's, it's, it is, it is like happening right now.

It is a sensory experience.