Caleb Williams

Sick.

Tyson's an awesome, like, he's an awesome philosopher, right?

Like, you talk to that guy, and you're like, man, he knows how to phrase things that you're sort of feeling.

And he kept referring to Ben as a lockbox.

And I was like, what do you mean he's a lockbox?

He's like, man, that dude is just locked in at every single moment of every day.

And I'm like, I'm using this.

I'm taking this forward because I like that.

30 burpees.

this guy did, man.

I'm telling you, Dan.

Who do you think probably trained him for the shirtless appearance?

It was probably Tyson.

Or his dad.

Yeah, they can cross-train a little bit this offseason.

But no, there's some good perspective there.

And the reason I bring that up is because Tyson had a front-row seat all year to watch Ben and Caleb grow in their relationship.

And some of it is the purpose that Ben Johnson brings into every room he's in every single day.

And look, like...

if we're fast forwarding 18 years and we're saying, why didn't it, you know, why did things end with Ben Johnson in Chicago?