Callum Borchers
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first heard Jun 2022
last heard Jan 2025
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Katrina Gazarian, who's this HR consultant I spoke with, said the businesses that have unlimited PTO that do it the best really do two things.
And that's one of the strategy.
One is setting a floor of vacation days.
We expect you to take at least 15 days off, for example, and you may take more than that.
But we really seriously do want you to take the time off.
And then the second thing is really having clear performance benchmarks for your teams.
For example, if you're in sales, let's say, and you have a goal for the quarter, if you hit your goal a little bit early, maybe you feel more comfortable taking an extended break that quarter because you know that your absence is not going to be mistaken for underperformance during that period.
If there is a magic number, it's 16.
It's not set in stone, but that's the average number of days off that people with unlimited, so-called unlimited PTO actually take, according to a recent survey by Empower, the financial services firm.
Which, by the way, is only a couple more days than is average for people to take with limited time off.
So they're barely exceeding the norm.
And I think that's very telling.
I mean, look, there's a wide range from company to company.
There are places where you could take significantly more than that, I'm sure.
But I think what that speaks to, that 16-day average for people with unlimited PTO, is that –
there's sort of an expectation.
It's not on a piece of paper, but most people in a company, they've worked at some other company that had a structured time off plan and people get used to like, what's the norm?
Like what is typical?
And if you start to exceed more than three weeks or maybe four is pushing it, it starts to look like you're maybe taking advantage of the system.
If you feel like you're in a safe company culture where you actually can use the time off, then it can be beneficial for you too.
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