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Cara Santamaria

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1038 total appearances

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The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And so there was a federal requirement that required that all state Medicaid programs pay for autism treatment.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Right.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Which is a good thing with kids need autism treatment.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

We got to make sure it gets paid for and it's not getting denied or rejected.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

The problem is an industry popped up around that saying, oh, there's dollars to be had.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Let's see how we can extract those dollars.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And guess who's investing?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Private equity firms.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

So once this regulation passed and private equity firms kind of got in on this opportunity for billing, what the New York Times investigation found is that oftentimes the way that these services are billed and extracting as much money out of these government funds as possible...

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

seems to, I'm going to say sometimes, maybe often, I don't know if those numbers are in yet, but take priority over the wellness of the children.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And so what are some of the major ways that they're doing it?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Well, one is by over prescribing what are called hours.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

So I'm a government biller.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

I see patients in psychotherapy and I bill Medicare, different than Medicaid, but we also bill Medi-Cal here in California.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And your CPT codes, the codes that you use when you're charging for services, are usually in different increments, like time increments.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

So I can do a 30-minute session, a 45-minute session, or a 60-minute session.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

But...

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

There are very specific cutoffs for that.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

So if I'm billing, for example, for a 30-minute therapy session, legally it has to be between 16 and 37 minutes long.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

If I am billing for a 45-minute therapy, legally it has to be between 38 and 52 minutes.