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Cara Santamaria

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The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And if I'm billing for a 60-minute therapy session, legally it has to be 53 minutes or longer.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

These are like very specific cutoffs that can mean the difference between getting reimbursed for your services or not.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

You have to bill them exactly correctly.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Apparently in a lot of these autism clinics, they are billed at the 15 minute increment.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And there are some really interesting cutoffs.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

They tell a story about visiting a clinic where a child is napping and they're waking the children up just before the seven minute mark, right?

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Because if they're asleep for longer than seven minutes, they can't bill for that 15-minute increment.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Because you can't bill while a child is asleep.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

You can't bill while a child is in recess.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

You can only bill while a child is in therapy.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Wow.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Clinics are serving in a lot of cases as de facto daycare.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

But unfortunately, they don't have the same required oversight as most daycares.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And they are also bringing in much, much, much more money because these are clinics where therapy is being offered.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

But we also have to remember that ABA therapy can be delivered by a psychologist, by a social worker, maybe even by a psychiatrist.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

But it can also be delivered by somebody with a high school diploma who went through 40 hours of training.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

You do not have to be a licensed provider to offer ABA therapy directly to children.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

And so what this investigation showed is that there are clinics across the country with a surging spending that the actual coffers, the amount of money in the state budget for these Medicare programs is being taxed significantly.

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

For example, they said last year in Colorado,

The Skeptics' Guide to the Universe
The Skeptics Guide #1090 - May 30 2026

Their Medicaid spent more on care for children in autism treatment last year, specifically in therapy clinics, than for all emergency room care across the state.