Carl George

And there's other interviews with other Red Hatters, like from the Fedora Flock Conference, Brian Axelbeard, he said that just because we don't say you should use it for production or we don't intend it for production, doesn't mean you can't, and there's lots of companies that do. I've got some friends over at Meta, Facebook, their fleet is probably the largest fleet of servers in the world.

And there's other interviews with other Red Hatters, like from the Fedora Flock Conference, Brian Axelbeard, he said that just because we don't say you should use it for production or we don't intend it for production, doesn't mean you can't, and there's lots of companies that do. I've got some friends over at Meta, Facebook, their fleet is probably the largest fleet of servers in the world.

I think the last PR approved term they got to use was millions, plural, of instances. And they're running CentOS Stream everywhere. and they get on the new versions as soon as they can. They're active contributors, and they're deploying this stuff regularly. They use it at massive scale in production. So it certainly can be, it's still rail-like, and it can be used in production.

I think the last PR approved term they got to use was millions, plural, of instances. And they're running CentOS Stream everywhere. and they get on the new versions as soon as they can. They're active contributors, and they're deploying this stuff regularly. They use it at massive scale in production. So it certainly can be, it's still rail-like, and it can be used in production.

Right? And there's even more detail to that. We talked about that partner ecosystem stuff. The whole idea of being real compatible is because they want access to that ecosystem. The real brand name.

Right? And there's even more detail to that. We talked about that partner ecosystem stuff. The whole idea of being real compatible is because they want access to that ecosystem. The real brand name.

Yeah, a little bit of that. There's some of the confusion, and that's going on now with the whole automatic and WP Engine stuff around brand name and how you identify that. But the bigger thing is... They're like, oh, I don't care about having RHEL. I care about this app I can install, and it works on this hardware, that whole ecosystem.

Yeah, a little bit of that. There's some of the confusion, and that's going on now with the whole automatic and WP Engine stuff around brand name and how you identify that. But the bigger thing is... They're like, oh, I don't care about having RHEL. I care about this app I can install, and it works on this hardware, that whole ecosystem.

That is what they're buying into, and that is what Red Hat sells. As a product. Yeah. Which I'm cool with. I get that. The whole idea of being exactly RHEL compatible is the idea of getting a foot into that ecosystem and taking advantage of that ecosystem from people that did not spend decades building it and countless dollars building it. Right.

That is what they're buying into, and that is what Red Hat sells. As a product. Yeah. Which I'm cool with. I get that. The whole idea of being exactly RHEL compatible is the idea of getting a foot into that ecosystem and taking advantage of that ecosystem from people that did not spend decades building it and countless dollars building it. Right.

Yeah. And that conflation is a sticking point for a lot of people.

Yeah. And that conflation is a sticking point for a lot of people.

What I realized around that angst is that We made all those changes, and some of it predates me, some of it was right around when I was getting hired. But what I learned about the CentOS community was they're basically two different personas. And it kind of splits evenly in the lifecycle. They were the people using CentOS in the first five years of the lifecycle.

What I realized around that angst is that We made all those changes, and some of it predates me, some of it was right around when I was getting hired. But what I learned about the CentOS community was they're basically two different personas. And it kind of splits evenly in the lifecycle. They were the people using CentOS in the first five years of the lifecycle.

New version would come out, they would say, yes, I want these new features, I want these new capabilities, and I'm also frustrated. Those happened to be the same people that were frustrated that they couldn't contribute to it and make changes to it. Then there were people kind of using it in the last five years instead of using RHEL. For them, it was just the free, unbranded RHEL.

New version would come out, they would say, yes, I want these new features, I want these new capabilities, and I'm also frustrated. Those happened to be the same people that were frustrated that they couldn't contribute to it and make changes to it. Then there were people kind of using it in the last five years instead of using RHEL. For them, it was just the free, unbranded RHEL.

They were never going to contribute. They don't care about being able to contribute. They just want to get the product for free, and they want it to be maintained for as long as possible. So those two personas were kind of where we unintentionally divided the community.

They were never going to contribute. They don't care about being able to contribute. They just want to get the product for free, and they want it to be maintained for as long as possible. So those two personas were kind of where we unintentionally divided the community.

People that liked what we were doing with CentOS Stream, being able to contribute, and it still has a five and a half year lifecycle, which, I mean, that's the same thing Ubuntu LTS gives you without the pro subscription, five years. So it's still a pretty long time. It's still an LTS. Those people, they're like, yeah, I like these changes. This makes a lot of sense to me. And the people that...

People that liked what we were doing with CentOS Stream, being able to contribute, and it still has a five and a half year lifecycle, which, I mean, that's the same thing Ubuntu LTS gives you without the pro subscription, five years. So it's still a pretty long time. It's still an LTS. Those people, they're like, yeah, I like these changes. This makes a lot of sense to me. And the people that...