Carl George

It's challenging. I'll give you a throwback to one of your older episodes when you interviewed Adam Jacob. Sure. Fantastic interview. And he brings up the point of, like, you make a product and you sell it. You don't give it away for free. I agree. Ubuntu's model is that they are giving their product away for free, which there are pros and cons to that.

It's challenging. I'll give you a throwback to one of your older episodes when you interviewed Adam Jacob. Sure. Fantastic interview. And he brings up the point of, like, you make a product and you sell it. You don't give it away for free. I agree. Ubuntu's model is that they are giving their product away for free, which there are pros and cons to that.

And I'm not going to... I don't want to criticize another company's business model. You know, I wish them all luck. I've got friends that work in Ubuntu and work for Canonical or ex-Canonical. But the... You know, it gets back to that problem. You can have all of the market share you want by giving away your product for free. And it's hugely successful and popular.

And I'm not going to... I don't want to criticize another company's business model. You know, I wish them all luck. I've got friends that work in Ubuntu and work for Canonical or ex-Canonical. But the... You know, it gets back to that problem. You can have all of the market share you want by giving away your product for free. And it's hugely successful and popular.

But then I know that my canonical friends have told me before that Ubuntu's biggest challenger was always free Ubuntu. Like everyone that's getting it for free because they can and the conversion rate of people that are like should be paying for it to help sustain the engineering of that product is a vanishingly small number.

But then I know that my canonical friends have told me before that Ubuntu's biggest challenger was always free Ubuntu. Like everyone that's getting it for free because they can and the conversion rate of people that are like should be paying for it to help sustain the engineering of that product is a vanishingly small number.

And it's extremely hard sell to say, here's why you should pay us when you can just get the product for free. Right. So Red Hat tries to take a different stance.

And it's extremely hard sell to say, here's why you should pay us when you can just get the product for free. Right. So Red Hat tries to take a different stance.

Well, the access is the same thing, right? Because access is part of that subscription, part of that product.

Well, the access is the same thing, right? Because access is part of that subscription, part of that product.

And a lot of that is confusion, right? People looked at it as, this is the free access version.

And a lot of that is confusion, right? People looked at it as, this is the free access version.

What would I tell you if, what would you say if I told you that, one, it was never blessed for production, and two, that there's even a website... It was marketed as that. No, it definitely wasn't. Show me a page that says it was blessed for production. But anyways, that's a tangent.

What would I tell you if, what would you say if I told you that, one, it was never blessed for production, and two, that there's even a website... It was marketed as that. No, it definitely wasn't. Show me a page that says it was blessed for production. But anyways, that's a tangent.

That's what people said. There was no blessing, right? But that's a minor point. Yeah. There's some nuance to it. There is nuance there. That's not the point I'm trying to get to, though. What would you say if I told you that I can show you a page right now on the Red Hat website that says RHEL is not intended for production? We had this conversation last night. I'm down for it. Yeah.

That's what people said. There was no blessing, right? But that's a minor point. Yeah. There's some nuance to it. There is nuance there. That's not the point I'm trying to get to, though. What would you say if I told you that I can show you a page right now on the Red Hat website that says RHEL is not intended for production? We had this conversation last night. I'm down for it. Yeah.

It's because on the page I'm talking about, it's in the product store where they say it's a self-support rail where you can buy just access to rail and can't file support cases. And it says this is not intended for production. Because... Red Hat thinks that you should have production or support for your production instances. It's that simple.

It's because on the page I'm talking about, it's in the product store where they say it's a self-support rail where you can buy just access to rail and can't file support cases. And it says this is not intended for production. Because... Red Hat thinks that you should have production or support for your production instances. It's that simple.

So when they say that, you know, there's also a blog post that says CentOS Stream is not designed for production or intended for production because it doesn't have support. It's around that part, but it's been misinterpreted to say even Red Hat says this isn't good enough for production. Right.

So when they say that, you know, there's also a blog post that says CentOS Stream is not designed for production or intended for production because it doesn't have support. It's around that part, but it's been misinterpreted to say even Red Hat says this isn't good enough for production. Right.