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Carl George

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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Technically, CentOS is the project. CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream were the distributions. But thankfully, we don't have that double thing anymore. We onboarded all the RHEL people, and it's just CentOS Stream. And I think my personal opinion is that we should one day just drop the stream and just say, yeah, this is just CentOS. Most people just call it CentOS. And let's avoid the confusion.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Technically, CentOS is the project. CentOS Linux and CentOS Stream were the distributions. But thankfully, we don't have that double thing anymore. We onboarded all the RHEL people, and it's just CentOS Stream. And I think my personal opinion is that we should one day just drop the stream and just say, yeah, this is just CentOS. Most people just call it CentOS. And let's avoid the confusion.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

We should have never had the overlap. It should have just been a clean break in a new major version and leave all the old major versions on the old model. That's not the way the transition happened. Clean breaks are good. Poorly executed transition, in my opinion. Some of it predated me. Some of it I was front row and center and doing what I could.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

We should have never had the overlap. It should have just been a clean break in a new major version and leave all the old major versions on the old model. That's not the way the transition happened. Clean breaks are good. Poorly executed transition, in my opinion. Some of it predated me. Some of it I was front row and center and doing what I could.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So it's all open source. And everything in Fedora is just out there in the open, built in the open. There's nothing private. Everything in CentOS Stream is the same way. It's built in the public. It's all public. And you can contribute to it. RHEL, the contribution path into RHEL is through CentOS because functionally the way it works is it's the major version of RHEL.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So it's all open source. And everything in Fedora is just out there in the open, built in the open. There's nothing private. Everything in CentOS Stream is the same way. It's built in the public. It's all public. And you can contribute to it. RHEL, the contribution path into RHEL is through CentOS because functionally the way it works is it's the major version of RHEL.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

You've got like CentOS Stream 9 now is where all the RHEL 9 development happens and then periodically they branch that into 9.4, 9.5, 9.6. So you can't actually contribute directly into a RHEL minor version because those are built inside Red Hat. But then the major version, you can get it on there.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

You've got like CentOS Stream 9 now is where all the RHEL 9 development happens and then periodically they branch that into 9.4, 9.5, 9.6. So you can't actually contribute directly into a RHEL minor version because those are built inside Red Hat. But then the major version, you can get it on there.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So from the developer angle, like you can do pull request to master, but you can't do pull request to the 9.4 branch. Okay. Sometimes the RHEL maintainers will say, yeah, we also have customer pressure to get it in these older, minor versions, and then they can do that part internally. But then the After Effects, it's still all open source.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So from the developer angle, like you can do pull request to master, but you can't do pull request to the 9.4 branch. Okay. Sometimes the RHEL maintainers will say, yeah, we also have customer pressure to get it in these older, minor versions, and then they can do that part internally. But then the After Effects, it's still all open source.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

It's still all published, all compliance with all the licenses. Once you have RHEL, you have access to the source for every package, even the ones with licenses that don't require it, like MIT or BSD license. So it's fully open source, top to bottom.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

It's still all published, all compliance with all the licenses. Once you have RHEL, you have access to the source for every package, even the ones with licenses that don't require it, like MIT or BSD license. So it's fully open source, top to bottom.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Totally cool, right? I'll push back on you a little bit. Okay. You tried real quick on your phone while we were drinking at the bar. I wasn't drinking. You were drinking. I wasn't drinking. I was drinking water. Well, very quick attempt on your phone. It's not the same as sitting down like, yeah, let me create this account. I won't create accounts on my phone.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Totally cool, right? I'll push back on you a little bit. Okay. You tried real quick on your phone while we were drinking at the bar. I wasn't drinking. You were drinking. I wasn't drinking. I was drinking water. Well, very quick attempt on your phone. It's not the same as sitting down like, yeah, let me create this account. I won't create accounts on my phone.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

I'm going to wait until I get on my laptop again, right? Okay, let me push back to you then. There's a little bit of a barrier, yes. You have to sign up. Let me push back to you then.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

I'm going to wait until I get on my laptop again, right? Okay, let me push back to you then. There's a little bit of a barrier, yes. You have to sign up. Let me push back to you then.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Yes.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Yes.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Download the ISO. LTS. Sure, your point.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Download the ISO. LTS. Sure, your point.