Carl George

It is there. There's been a lot of misleading messaging around, CentOS is dead or you have to replace CentOS. No. There's differences, you should understand them, but I think there are a lot of positive changes that people are missing out on it because they're not just buying the marketing line of somebody that says, I want to be the new CentOS. Well, That's kind of flawed.

It is there. There's been a lot of misleading messaging around, CentOS is dead or you have to replace CentOS. No. There's differences, you should understand them, but I think there are a lot of positive changes that people are missing out on it because they're not just buying the marketing line of somebody that says, I want to be the new CentOS. Well, That's kind of flawed.

Why don't you just be a distro on your own, make your own reputation, and then see what CentOS is doing. If it works for you, then keep using it. I think it would work for a lot of people. There are some people that, I think there's one guy I know at work that says that if you have a RHEL-sized hole, we want to sell you RHEL. 10 year life cycle, vendor escalation. Assurances.

Why don't you just be a distro on your own, make your own reputation, and then see what CentOS is doing. If it works for you, then keep using it. I think it would work for a lot of people. There are some people that, I think there's one guy I know at work that says that if you have a RHEL-sized hole, we want to sell you RHEL. 10 year life cycle, vendor escalation. Assurances.

Yeah, assurances, the partner ecosystem.

Yeah, assurances, the partner ecosystem.

Before we started recording, I was telling Adam that one of the big value propositions that I know Red Hat talks about a lot, but I think a lot of people miss out on, whether it's just phrasing or it doesn't convey well, is that Red Hat has spent literal decades and countless amounts of money building a partner ecosystem with hardware vendors, software vendors, and upstream communities, right?

Before we started recording, I was telling Adam that one of the big value propositions that I know Red Hat talks about a lot, but I think a lot of people miss out on, whether it's just phrasing or it doesn't convey well, is that Red Hat has spent literal decades and countless amounts of money building a partner ecosystem with hardware vendors, software vendors, and upstream communities, right?

and the big value premise you're paying for when you buy RHEL, and I'm not a RHEL salesman, this is going to sound very sales pitchy. You're an engineer. I'm very low in the weeds.

and the big value premise you're paying for when you buy RHEL, and I'm not a RHEL salesman, this is going to sound very sales pitchy. You're an engineer. I'm very low in the weeds.

Yeah, 2019.

Yeah, 2019.

I think a good bit of nuance to that is that, yeah, I've only been there since 2019. Relatively short, I've been in the CentOS and Fedora and Apple communities before that. I got hired out of those communities to do it full time at Red Hat, which is another huge value that they do is employing people in open source projects to keep making open source, which we have.

I think a good bit of nuance to that is that, yeah, I've only been there since 2019. Relatively short, I've been in the CentOS and Fedora and Apple communities before that. I got hired out of those communities to do it full time at Red Hat, which is another huge value that they do is employing people in open source projects to keep making open source, which we have.

There's a whole track yesterday here at the conference about open source sustainability and sustainability versus freedom and choice and open source purists and things like that. And yeah, a lot of people, the dream is to get paid to work in open source. I feel great, I've achieved that dream.

There's a whole track yesterday here at the conference about open source sustainability and sustainability versus freedom and choice and open source purists and things like that. And yeah, a lot of people, the dream is to get paid to work in open source. I feel great, I've achieved that dream.

Other people aren't as lucky or they get it like, I know my last employer had a thing where it was like, well you can do open source part time and then this much time you have to do these things inside the company. You have a lot of that. And I know a lot of companies, their OSPO offices, open source programs office or equivalent name,

Other people aren't as lucky or they get it like, I know my last employer had a thing where it was like, well you can do open source part time and then this much time you have to do these things inside the company. You have a lot of that. And I know a lot of companies, their OSPO offices, open source programs office or equivalent name,

They struggle around how do we get our engineers to be better open source citizens. They're consuming all this open source. How do we turn them from just consumers into making sure the things we depend on continue to exist long term? Which is a theme that I'd like to segue off of in DescentOS.

They struggle around how do we get our engineers to be better open source citizens. They're consuming all this open source. How do we turn them from just consumers into making sure the things we depend on continue to exist long term? Which is a theme that I'd like to segue off of in DescentOS.