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Carl George

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260 total appearances

Appearances Over Time

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The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So, big question, right? I started going on a little bit, started talking about how I wish I had a diagram of Fedora branching from Rawhide into its releases. Every three years or so, we'll take one of those Fedora releases and we'll branch it again and start building the next major version of RHEL. That starts as CentOS Stream, but before we've announced it. It's still very early.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So, big question, right? I started going on a little bit, started talking about how I wish I had a diagram of Fedora branching from Rawhide into its releases. Every three years or so, we'll take one of those Fedora releases and we'll branch it again and start building the next major version of RHEL. That starts as CentOS Stream, but before we've announced it. It's still very early.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

We're still forming pre-alpha days. We're putting all this stuff together. And then at a certain point, they have enough of the changes that they want to go into the next major version of RHEL. Like we want this version of Apache, this version of OpenSSL. Maybe it's the same ones at the exact time they branched. Maybe they go one forward, one back.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

We're still forming pre-alpha days. We're putting all this stuff together. And then at a certain point, they have enough of the changes that they want to go into the next major version of RHEL. Like we want this version of Apache, this version of OpenSSL. Maybe it's the same ones at the exact time they branched. Maybe they go one forward, one back.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Maybe they add a few other features, build a few things differently. but that is the process of turning the Fedora fast-moving, innovative project into the enterprise product, and that happens through CentOS. There's a lot of chat about how they talk about RHEL compatible and like the Enterprise Linux standard, other people with other projects. There isn't really a standard.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Maybe they add a few other features, build a few things differently. but that is the process of turning the Fedora fast-moving, innovative project into the enterprise product, and that happens through CentOS. There's a lot of chat about how they talk about RHEL compatible and like the Enterprise Linux standard, other people with other projects. There isn't really a standard.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There's Red Hat making a product, and to whatever extent there is a standard of Enterprise Linux, CentOS defines that. That is where it happens. And so, because it's happening there, you can influence it. You can actually contribute to it.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There's Red Hat making a product, and to whatever extent there is a standard of Enterprise Linux, CentOS defines that. That is where it happens. And so, because it's happening there, you can influence it. You can actually contribute to it.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

I know you all have a big developer audience, and the analogy I used earlier was that if you've got a choice between two libraries, one that is active development, getting features, you can contribute to it, whether or not you have the ability to or the intent to, the fact that you can contribute to a vibrant project that's growing and active,

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

I know you all have a big developer audience, and the analogy I used earlier was that if you've got a choice between two libraries, one that is active development, getting features, you can contribute to it, whether or not you have the ability to or the intent to, the fact that you can contribute to a vibrant project that's growing and active,

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Would you rather use that or something else that says, yeah, we're going to be exactly the same as the other thing. And if you send us a bug report, if it's in the other thing, we're just going to close it. And you can't contribute here. We are bug for bug compatible. There's this whole mythos about bug for bug compatible.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

Would you rather use that or something else that says, yeah, we're going to be exactly the same as the other thing. And if you send us a bug report, if it's in the other thing, we're just going to close it. And you can't contribute here. We are bug for bug compatible. There's this whole mythos about bug for bug compatible.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

And really, when someone says I want bug for bug compatible with RHEL, what they mean is I want RHEL without paying for it. That's really what it boils down to. It's a pretty blunt statement, but it's true. What's different from the past when CentOS originally started was that you can get just RHEL for free. There's a lot of free programs.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

And really, when someone says I want bug for bug compatible with RHEL, what they mean is I want RHEL without paying for it. That's really what it boils down to. It's a pretty blunt statement, but it's true. What's different from the past when CentOS originally started was that you can get just RHEL for free. There's a lot of free programs.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There's the, and this is going to sound sales pitchy again, but I'm telling you how to get free stuff. There's the Red Hat developer subscription for individuals. Anyone can sign up and get 16 free RHEL instances to do whatever they want to with. No limits. You can even use it in a business. It's just a little fuzzy because it is individual, right? You can't agree to the terms on behalf of an org.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There's the, and this is going to sound sales pitchy again, but I'm telling you how to get free stuff. There's the Red Hat developer subscription for individuals. Anyone can sign up and get 16 free RHEL instances to do whatever they want to with. No limits. You can even use it in a business. It's just a little fuzzy because it is individual, right? You can't agree to the terms on behalf of an org.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So for most businesses of more than one person, it's not really going to work.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

So for most businesses of more than one person, it's not really going to work.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There is also another program, Developer Subscription for Teams, that'll give you, I don't remember the exact number. It's high. It's in the thousands of free RHEL instances in your non-production environments if you're paying for RHEL in production. And then there's also programs for giving open source projects free RHEL.

The Changelog: Software Development, Open Source
ANTHOLOGY — Packages, pledges & protocols (Interview)

There is also another program, Developer Subscription for Teams, that'll give you, I don't remember the exact number. It's high. It's in the thousands of free RHEL instances in your non-production environments if you're paying for RHEL in production. And then there's also programs for giving open source projects free RHEL.