Carl Lentz
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537 appearances
7 recordings
3 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
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i got caught and it was a chance for me to really get clean and get honest so it's like yeah and even though parts of what we're told were very false to fight some of those details would be so stupid like who wants to be the guy who's like no no it wasn't on tuesday it was wednesday it's like dude we're talking about robbing a bank who cares what day it's on right like yeah that's what it was like for me to have to learn how to accept the decisions that i made put me in a position
to have a lot of things be said but if people want to know what what really happened at Hillsong New York City um human human leaders and and are there aspects of the way that church is done that needs to be assessed and changed for sure that should happen anyway um but it wasn't as complicated and spectacular as some people tried to make it out it just wasn't and it was too juicy of a story for people to not just let it be what it is which is
I had some serious issues in my life. And when you're a leader, they're going to come get you at some point. And that's what happened to me. And then, yeah, it exposed more about the greater Hillsong movement in a bunch of different ways and just started a ripple effect.
But that's, you know, the effect on my family was the hardest part of all this because they had nothing to do with my sin and my choices. And that's what you find with sin, bro. It's less about you and more about the impact it has on other people across the board. Yeah, it affects you, but what we fail to realize sometimes is we're so selfish when it comes to the stuff we're dealing.
I'm sinning, and it's making me feel like this, and God's mad. It's like, yeah, and your sin impacts other people. So for me to have to see that living color with my own kids, man, it was not easy. It was not easy. It's something that for a while I didn't think I could get through. But my wife gave me a chance to figure out if I could fix some of the things that we now knew were broken.
It's one thing to know you're not well. It's another thing to go to a doctor and say, here's what you have. Now, have you ever had one of those moments where you just feel kind of sick? You're like, I don't know what it is, but I feel something coming on. It's kind of unsettling because you're like, I don't know if it's pneumonia, could be a cold. I don't know.
That's kind of what it feels like when you get real good help. Like when you go, I went to a rehab and I went to a counseling place and
to be able to have someone dial this in i was able to tell laura like you know the rest of my life i'll earn her trust back it's everyday thing but if you give me a chance um i'd like to show and proof my words mean nothing they still matter i still need to say i'm sorry i still need to say that these five things and i realize my words have no weight none my decisions took the weight out of my words
And if you'll give me a chance to give them depth and meaning again, I will prove to you that God can change anybody's life. And so she gave me a chance to do that. And she graded me in segments. It was like people get a wrong idea about what that can look like. And my wife was never like, it's OK, I forgive you. She didn't forgive me really verbally for two and a half years.
But every we had a plan and there would be some check marks and some road marks about how she felt about my life and everything. And over time, you string those together and you have what we have now, which is like the best second marriage I could ever want. You know, we just stopped trying to make the first one work. It did not go well. It ended and we started a second marriage.
And, you know, we're doing it different this time and it feels really good. So it's the impact on them.
highlighted some tough things about the church culture you know we for my wife to be you know abandoned like she was and for my kids to you know have to go through the hurt they did probably didn't have to happen like that there are some churches that do it different now because of that and that's cool but yeah we have a Christian community sometimes that can run from people who need you the most when you need them the most and I'm grateful that that wasn't totally the case with me you know we had some people that did stick around and help us out and that's why I'm sitting here today
Well, you can't defend and heal at the same time. Doesn't work. So if you ever find yourself in a position where it's like, what's the bigger priority? Is it me coming out and doing an interview right away to make sure everybody knows who else was wrong and everybody who's lying about me? Let me make sure everybody knows about them. Or is the priority to get fix my life?
What matters more, my healing or my reputation? Well, well, my reputation was gone and I did that. And I wasn't going to fix it by pointing out a liar. And so I just, by the grace of God, Bryce, was able to just freaking harness that. I am shutting it down. This whole world is done to me. They can write movies. They can make documentaries.
People can do their weird little bloggy thingies that they do. They can make... What do your thing? I've got business to handle and it's my life. It's my relationship with Jesus and it is to save my family and everything else can burn. And that's exactly the approach we took. And, um, some days were easier than others to do that.
Uh, it wasn't like this easy road, but, but by and large, we were really able to, to really able to hold onto that, that frame, man. And it, uh, you know, it helped us heal.
Yeah. Why do you think that is?
Yeah. Unfortunately – And sometimes it's good to remember as Christians, like, don't forget the guy that we serve was murdered for being perfect. It's like it's always a good perspective piece like, oh, yeah, because we have this vision like we're preaching the good news. We're helping people. We're doing good serving God. Why do some people hate us? Oh, yeah. Jesus was murdered without cause.
That's our call. So it's going to happen. And when it comes to grace, the way that you just set up how you feel about yourself, I think I relate to all of it, bro. I was so good at giving grace to other people and teaching other people about grace. But it was just me and myself and my sin and my weakness and my life in Jesus. I was bad at making that connection.
And I think a lot of people struggle with this. So it's probably why God has a spotlight on you, because you can help people find a better way. Like, I think you think about grace. Why would it be? Why would it be hard for somebody to forgive themselves and move on?
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