Carl Lentz
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537 appearances
7 recordings
3 series
first heard Dec 2024
last heard May 2025
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And so it was a, it was a cool time to just use what we had at hand, but yeah, it ended up becoming a lot of the stuff that we were doing. A lot of people kind of, followed and copied and used as a, as a mold. And in some ways it was great because you don't need, you're, you're a great example of that too. If you have, if you have the right stuff here, you'll got to find a way to, to amplify it.
And, uh, but yeah, I mean, it was, uh, it was a, it was a cool time. I think you're, you're really kind and mature for how old are you? 21. So yeah, to look at somebody and say, I see you as my brother, I think what you find as you get older on this journey, a couple things. One, people's response to your story says more about them than you sometimes.
So if you have a story and your reaction is horror, It's like interesting. So if I'm settled in my soul and I'm filled with grace and, you know, I'm steady on my own two feet, you can tell me something today. Hopefully my reaction would show where I'm at, which is, man, I'm here for you. You're not going to scare me. I'm going to run from you. It's not going to. But for me to be.
you know, appalled and to shun and to judge, we've learned that often those people are a hiding very similar stuff. They're pointing out in your life. And then two, they just haven't dealt with it. And, and why would my story create this in you? It's a question for that person. So I think it's a, it's a very interesting thing you find for me.
It does need to be said because I'm a pastor, the standard is higher. Right. And there is there is healthy accountability that when somebody who has my platform for me to make the mistakes I did. Yeah, I need to be held accountable. And I was that's not what we're referring to. We're kind of looking at the underbelly of what can become judgment.
But if you have a big stage and profile, it comes with it. So I wasn't surprised. You know, as our platform grew, I knew, you know, the people who are around and the people that love you, it can turn on a dime. And yeah, that happened in some regard. So I went from being somebody who a lot of people loved to somebody who was really easy to throw stones at. And I put myself in that position. Yeah.
And that's the way it works.
I mean, it's a journey. You learn how to manage it, I think. I mean, what we know now about mental health is so huge for ministers, for pastors.
It's part of my passion moving forward to make sure that, you know, guys who are behind me, even age-wise and even not, even guys who are my age and beyond, there's still some of these principles, but learning how to create boundaries, learning how to protect yourself, learning...
How to not be a codependent Christian leader because codependency can be a real weakness is when you try to manage other people's expectations and control their emotions. It's really close to empathy and kindness.
So empathy and kindness, if you don't know how to regulate it turns into major codependence where you end up trying to please everybody all the time and I really struggled with that I think. When you're a young pastor, you just want everybody to relax and chill. It's like in a church that gets bigger, the number of people who are unhappy gets bigger.
And if you don't have your mind set on what that means, it can throw you. And for me, that was an area I didn't really prepare for. So I felt often like I was...
not doing a good enough job for somebody every day so you have a great sunday and there'd be one person hey i you know i had a bad experience with this volunteer okay and there'd be another person hey we don't have anything for young moms in in in the bronx yeah we don't that sucks hey we need to have a youth ministry that meets in every borough yeah the list goes on and if you don't know how to frame it right that stuff will eat away at you because that's also part of the job is managing that so i didn't pressure is the wrong word i think um
Pressure comes from when you kind of don't understand where the power comes from. I've never mistaken that. I mean, as a minister, you know quickly, oh my gosh, this is all God using broken people. I do not have the ability to communicate a perfect sermon about a perfect God and a perfect gospel being imperfect. I don't have the goods. And then you watch God show up time and time again.
And you start realizing, well, thank God that we checked that one off. This ain't on me because I'm not good enough. So pressure I never felt. I started to feel pressure to manage things. And I started to do it internally. And that was kind of the beginning of the end of that chapter for me. And I didn't share didn't share that pressure and that in that burden.
Yeah.
Bryce, you're a great question asker. Also, do you take a moment to just talk about how great your shirt is?
I got to get you one. I mean, if I summed up what happened, I think when I when I got caught. You know, in a. a life and pattern that became really clear quickly, it began a domino effect. Meaning, if you get caught lying, it's fair to go, what else is this guy lying about? And then you start looking around and say, who does this guy know? And are they guilty of the same?
And then this ripple effect goes and everybody starts running for cover. So you find out that some Christians love to preach and talk about the hard times, but we don't love to live in them. You find that out. Hopefully you'll never find that out from the wrong angle. Um, but by and large, man, people, they run, they run from problems. They run from, from things that are ugly.
And my situation was very, very ugly. So it just began a slow breakdown. I mean, people want to know what happened. I, you know, I had, there was infidelity in my marriage and
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