Carl Radke
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I think early in the season, there was a lot of frustration from the audience, from Kyle, from a lot of people of what seemed like Lindsay weaponizing your sobriety against you. Can you, you know, add context to that? Like, you know, what's the truth, you know, versus like what we got to see on Bravo and things like that.
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And like, yeah, because I don't know if you were like California sober or, you know, all these kind of different terms when it comes to sobriety and things like that. But, Yeah, it was sometimes tough to watch because here you are doing a lot of work on your sobriety. You've had a very front row seat to your brother and his passing and just a lot of very sensitive issues.
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So it was very tough at times to see Lindsay coming at you all while consuming alcohol as well. And not that she's not allowed to do that or she's not... But again, if you are in an engagement with someone who clearly is doing a lot of work, it seemed like she was falling short of supporting you on this journey and again, almost leveraging it to her advantage if she got caught in a pickle.
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Well, I appreciate you saying that because, well, one, I mean, I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had to, A, personally deal with addiction. And fortunately, people in my inner circle, I haven't had that much experience with it. But I know enough to know how challenging it can be.
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And just like, you know, reality TV in general, what is asked of all of you and couple that with you trying to be sober, stay sober, be on the sobriety journey, be vulnerable with your fiance, be in, you know, it's like, it's, it's not, it's a, it's a, it's not easy.
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pretty sure I've met Lindsay but I don't really remember she had a PR career that flourished well before I think it was after you guys' first season and I was it was right after I was The Bachelor and I was in New York I don't know doing something and we had some mutuals and Lindsay was there and she's like
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yeah i'm on this new show i hadn't watched i was like i don't give a fuck yeah you know like she's like pitching me this shoe and i'm like fresh i'm like the bachelor so i probably have a big head or something and like fucking seven years later you guys how many years now that was like 2007 season nine yeah seven like seven eight years yeah the first season filmed in the summer of 2016 but it didn't air until 2017.
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How did you come to even start consuming cocaine and some of these other drugs?
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Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. Well, welcome, Carl. Thank you. Thank you for having me. Great to have you. Yeah. Appreciate it. It's great to meet you guys in person. My team and I, we always love to come up with like really, maybe you've seen a couple like sizzles and promos for our shows. Oh, yeah.
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this other like my mom jokes it's like you're on steroids i was different kinds um but it gave me like this confidence to like to be someone i thought i would be like or just get out of your head and you know i have anxiety too like i overthink and it's just like yeah like that's what it does it just it just kind of lowers those inhibitions you know that have its consequences but some of the positives of doing that is just get up get out of your own fucking way sometimes it feels like right totally
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I appreciate you opening it up because I think it's just one of those things that like, again, people will talk about getting sober. They'll talk about AA a lot. And I, I'm, you know, the little bit I know about AA is when you go there, you will share some of the stories and some of the shit that happened. But I think, I feel like publicly that it doesn't get discussed a lot.
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And I think, you know, as two young parents, we have a one-year-old and like life's great right now. And like, you know, she's, you know, we, we can take great care. It's easy to take good care of her. You know, you just, you just have to be present and give a shit. Right.
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i'm sure you're aware on some level but like salt lake city mary has opened up about her son's addictions and that's powerful yeah yeah well i'm curious what you think about that but we were talking about it earlier today and i just like i give mary a lot of credit you know because like you can't you don't there's no way you can't watch mary and talk about her son that is a woman who loves her son you know she is a she's a present parent you know and she talks about just how involved
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she is in her son's life and yet she didn't know this was going on and i think part of it is just like talking about the accessibility of these things and talking about the lifestyle that you were leading when shit like happened i think i just feel like it doesn't really get discussed publicly enough where like parents you know anyone listening now just like this shit is out there
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You don't have to be a kid from the wrong side of the tracks or whatever the fuck it is. You know what I'm saying? It's very easy for anyone to get caught up in shit like this if you don't know what you're looking for. And you can never assume that you or your kids are safe. So talking about this shit and putting it out there, I think, brings a lot of awareness that is otherwise not.
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So, well, uh, we were discussing what should Carl's be, you know, And Leah reminded me that, you know, we've talked about you a couple times. Yeah. She reminded me that when West came out, that I suggested that you might be too afraid to come on the show.
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How have you worked through that? Because that would be... You clearly are talking to you as someone who's really done some work. Try. More to go. Sure, we all do.
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listen to music with them so well thank you for sharing all that i i know it's it's not easy and you know i know the fight uh against addiction is is an ongoing one and that one that you'll never you know fully conquer but like how are you doing and do you feel like you're a pretty comfortable place right now and and reduced from risks of of kind of going back to that
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Also, people who don't struggle with addiction. For me, maturing and getting older as a human being is to realize all the shit I don't really need to give a fuck about and I just decided to for whatever reason. It's funny how perspective and some time
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I respect anyone who knows how to have healthy boundaries, and as much as I love doing what we do, and as much as we grind to get people like yourself on the show, I absolutely respect people who pick and choose their spots.
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it was very hard can we talk about and maybe you'll remember the specifics more than i do because it was a bit ago but the whole like softer lindsey conversation because i think that was a time in which we were less team carl yeah uh i'm glad we can talk about this because i feel some of that was taken out of context to a degree okay yeah can you but can you share your point of view from that time
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But you'll see our idea, but our idea is to start to sizzle, being like, I think Carl's too afraid to come on the show, and this is what we would ask him, and blah, blah, blah, and have you sit down and be like, so what do you want to know? I love it. It's a pretty good idea. I love it. Pretty good. That being said, I mean, obviously you saw the Lindsay promo. Did you watch that episode with her?
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Well, you said it was misogynistic. I don't think this gets mentioned a lot. I'll probably even get shit for saying this. But obviously, I'm very grateful for the audience that we have here. It's mostly women. I love talking about the same stuff that they love listening and talking about as well. you're on a show that's primarily consumed by women.
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And a lot about your show is these interpersonal relationships between men and women and not, you know, listen, as straight white men, we have very little to complain about. Of course. Very privileged and very lucky. Not here to complain. But it's, boy, it's really hard to thread the needle in a relationship fight and men trying to express, you know,
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feelings, period, let alone like frustration or anger or just communicate a need from their partner. I mean, behind closed doors when Nellie and I are disconnected.
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You know, but like, you know, I don't know. I mean, I'm sure I've said something that like if the audience was hearing, you know, it's like a
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man like what am i supposed to say man i just try to tell you how i feel and everything that you guys do is on camera for us to break down and dissect and be like what did you fucking say do you ever struggle yes i do a little bit but i've again this is the growth in me i hope a little bit is i've tried to take a lot of that and i've been fortunate to be on this for now nine seasons and use a lot of what you we're going through stuff in real time it's being recorded and then we
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I didn't watch it. Okay, good. Good for your mental health. Did you hear?
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Cause that's why we love, that's why we love the show. Right. Because like, you're only a real asshole if you watch the show in pure judgment and be like, you know, it's just like what you and the housewives, like I couldn't do, we, I could not do what you guys do. I mean, yeah, I was on the bachelor for a period.
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Yeah. But like, yeah, but yeah, that was, I got shit for going back a few times. You guys keep showing up every season and like, Yeah, Bachelor has its challenges with boundaries, but Bravo is, it's like, tell us your shit. You're not allowed to have secrets. With Robinhood Gold, you can now enjoy the VIP treatments receiving 3% IRA match on retirement contributions.
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Someone sent me like a Reddit notes. Someone got a recap. I got you.
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I think Nellie said, fuck Kyle Cook a couple times on this program.
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Oh yeah, you'd love them. I don't know if you're allowed to answer this, but like I couldn't help but wonder. I'll try. Well, it's not like a spoiler, but I'm honestly like sometimes there was a moment like last season where like Kyle and Amanda, like are they trolling us? Because like their online behavior with the whole Jesse Solomon stuff. That was interesting.
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And even if they were trolling us, I'm just like as a guy who's just like happily married and maybe I'm just in my honeymoon phase and maybe they're seasoned vets as a married couple. But I would just not lean in to any narratives that had to do with any of us possibly having the hots or wanting to be fucked by someone else.
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And I was just a bit blown away by what either was them being serious or them trolling.
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I love to have fun and I don't feel like I'm that jealous of a guy.
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in the hot seat but now having jesse and west here not only do they bring a lot of fun and younger energy but they also bring drama and no i want to other things to talk about i want to ask you more about them i want to bring it back to lindsey for a second not just specifically lindsey but another thing i think just men struggle with especially men in their 30s um and especially if they approach 40 i remember like when i you know got off the bachelor and i i was i
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you know, I had a, I had a life and I had a real job and I had a condo in Chicago and I was all set. And I decided to blow it all up and come to LA. And then there was like two years of like, just me living on an air mattress at my, in a room in my buddy's house.
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And yeah, I was dating and I was out there, but it's just like, I think a lot of men and they're like middle ages or adult life or thirties or whatever. Like if they don't like feel settled in their career and they really know what they want to do, it is very difficult for them to like really be present in their aspects in their life, specifically dating.
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And I dated a lot, but I was never like, and I was like, yeah, I really want to meet someone. And yeah, I really want to settle down. But the truth was, I was like, until I'm like not sleeping on this air mattress, I'm not getting in a relationship with anyone type of thing until I know what I'm fucking doing.
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And I don't think there's usually a lot of acknowledgement around that, because I think when we watch these shows, I remember being more like Team Lindsey when she was being hard on you, and I was sitting in a position of I'm at a point in my life where I've figured it out, and I was probably judging you and criticizing you a little too much.
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But like, you know, because there was this part of your and Lindsey's relationship was Lindsey being the supportive fiance, which was kind of like, figure it the fuck out, Carl. And then there were times where it felt like you were being portrayed as like this person who was just like, just wanted support from his girlfriend, but wasn't willing to do anything.
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And every once in a while you would bring up like, hey, I want to start a t-shirt company. I don't know if that was one of them.
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Um, but like, I guess what is the truth? You know, does that resonate with you at all? And again, what was the truth in terms of your dynamic and versus like how you've been portrayed? Is this kind of like this more like dreamer, you know, kind of guy in business where like Lindsay's like, I just need a man who has a real job and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
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interesting position which probably would have lended itself to a lot more challenges too yeah i mean like listen the more you talk about you and lindsey the more it's just like you guys had a good thing you will be you you played a big part in each other's lives for a period of time but like i mean honestly like not that lindsey like owes you i'm sure you i'm sure you both have things to apologize for each other but like for all of the drama that was you ending that engagement
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Oh yeah. Short of, short of your ego popping in, like your ex moving on is the best possible.
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why can't we be friends? It's like, respect what you had. If you had respect for what you had, it shouldn't be easy to be friends or pretend that you didn't have an engagement or like you guys were the biggest part of each other's lives.
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And like, it didn't work out and you could be cordial and have respect and wish the other person well and be happy for them, but you're not fucking friends and stop pretending that you guys can be fucking cool together because that's disrespectful to what you had. It's,
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We definitely live in a time where, you know, maybe it's social media, the all scandals, but like when people break up, everyone like it's, who's the villain, who's the hero, who are we going to burn? Like sometimes you just like, you have a right to fall out of love. You have a right to be like, you're good. We're good.
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Well, I just want to point out to my audience and to anyone listening to this, ever since Lindsay came on, I have been begging whoever your people are, I have never spoken to you directly. I've probably DM'd you a couple times, but I have relentlessly tried to get you on this show. So it's not because you have pitched yourself or tried to come on, I very much, you're doing us a favor.
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But I think there's something better for me and you honestly, but that's for you to decide whatever. Um,
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Holy is a fan. And I don't like, I've, I guess I know page a little bit better. She's been, she, she was on reality recap once and talk some pop culture reality with us. And she was lovely. I met Craig for five seconds at an event. He seemed really nice. As a viewer, it absolutely seems like Paige, in a lot of ways, has rubbed off on Craig.
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Because as a viewer of Southern Charm, I started watching it halfway through, and it's just like the three fuckboys of the South just ripping beers and golfing.
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and just like doing whatever the fuck and just getting away with whatever because they're 6'3 and good looking and they just kind of know everyone and they're like the biggest fish in a small pond and then like again this season like the only storyline we have so far is like Austin like hanging on to this lifestyle where Craig has decided to grow up and you had Paige call Craig and being like honestly really sound business advice or it was like that you know I honestly was like yeah good for Paige that was really good advice
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And it's to Craig's credit. I think he, you know, he's, I'm sure he's seen pages, you know, explosion or success or dedication to career. It's all paying off. I, I'm sure I give Craig a lot of credit where he never acted like, you know, emasculated him or bothered by it, but instead almost tried to be like, all right, like, teach a man to fish. Like, how do I, how do I do that?
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But yeah, it's in, you know, I think we're just sad because we loved him as a couple and, and now it's like he, she broke up with him. So now she's immediately, how is she the bad guy? And then like, I don't know.
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If you're really single and they're like, there's a new girl coming in your house, immediately you're like, all right, yes.
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and you know it was a younger girl and she's fully blossomed so um i'm happy for her and i'm actually looking forward to seeing what she does now with a little less just it's it's on her own she's page well what about your love life uh are you still very much in the let's focus on me let's focus on my career sobriety all those things yeah i think that off the table are we building into love
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Team West or Team Sierra? I don't know if you know where I stand, but I'm in the minority.
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And I'm not. I think he could have been more tactful and apologized.
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He's flourishing. What else haven't we covered? This has been great. It's been really, man. I really appreciate you taking the time and opening up with us. Thank you. What can we expect without giving anything away? Yes. I want to say this is a bit of like a challenge that mature shows have with ensemble casts that have come up together, been through the trenches.
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And you guys have been through life-changing experiences, like life and death. And it gets to the point where like, you just don't have it anymore to really like shake it up. And, and, and I will for all the like, fuck Kyle cook, blah, blah, blah.
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Like, you know, say what you want about like whether he should be calling anyone a bitch or not, but like Kyle cook still showing up for work and making TV. And, you know, I think Southern charm has experienced a little bit of this fatigue right now where it's just like, if I need to get most of my entertainment from the friends of, and all like the sidekicks that are bringing in, because like,
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Yeah. So yeah. What can we come to expect? I mean, Jesse and West were two excellent additions. Great additions. What can you say about any of your new cast members and, and what can you tease in terms of our excitement going into this season?
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And there's a lot that happened from that little, am I going to have all this here at fans like coming for me and be like, and this is why you were fucking wrong. Okay.
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Well, that I appreciate that. And thank your mom for giving you that extra boost. on the show I'm just like as you talking I'm you know like you said like you and you and Lindsay it's like reality world timing is so fucking crazy it's like we interviewed Lindsay like a year and a half ago it was right after BravoCon in Vegas okay so it was November of 2020
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And well, as someone who settled down later in life, uh, and had different ups and downs and someone who always, you know, wanted to settle down and have kids, but didn't for a while. Uh, one I'll say, figure out your shit, man. Cause like until you do, like once you get it,
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you know like just feel calm feel good about what you're whatever it is whatever you feel good about doing where whether you are teaching first grade or you're working on wall street but like if you feel good about what you're doing you feel prideful of it like i think it makes all the difference especially in like men's lives in terms of being just better friends and better partners if you've ever desired to be a dad as someone who's like lucky enough to have been one like
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nothing has given me more purpose in life and never like, it really just, it, it, it motivates you. It really makes you like, I think it makes you more badass in terms of like more, more like, how do I want to, like, you know, you don't want to mess with an ambitious father type of thing. You got dad's strength now. Yeah. Um, so yeah, like,
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like in their mid twenties. Okay. Yeah. And I will say one benefit to like, if you're lucky enough to meet someone, have kids, you'll, you won't, you're going to be very happy with wherever you are. Like clearly have had fun, lived a fun life, been very selfish at times, like done, done your thing. And like, I don't know, I've never been a huge partier, but like I've had plenty of fun.
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Like the last, I am not reminiscing about like, Oh, I wish I was allowed out. Yeah.
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It's Friday night. And where are my friends at? Like, ah, nah, don't miss it. Like that, that is one benefit of like waiting, uh, till you're ready. And whether, whether you're, you waited cause you're ready or you're waited because it wasn't the right time for you or whoever your person is. Yeah. That's been a nice benefit.
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But yes, you know, and so much has happened and like, you know, Lindsay came on here and like said her truth. Obviously we heard her point of view. We were, you know, a lot of like, Oh my God, I can't believe Carl. Sorry to laugh. I'm just laughing. You know, like, and then I will say though, like we did watch the season in full. We got to watch it. And I don't think, I mean,
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Am I? I was born in 80. You look good, man. You look really good. I've been off sugar, man. That's that.
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Yeah, and I moisturize. Carl, thank you so much, man. Anything else you want to promote, put out there, blog, websites?
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You know, sometimes, yeah. I don't think we're hard on people. This is great. But I feel like we just asked, like, good questions.
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usually when i have a pov i'm like you know i feel good about this but you guys like it was like one episode i was like man i don't know like fuck carl then it was just like i think lindsey really fucked him over here like what is going on i really didn't know where i stood i mean again i really felt like there were times i was empathizing with you and it was like maybe lindsey is just like i don't know like maybe she just needs and then sometimes i was like i don't know carl
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
I'm trying to figure out a way to frame this, the question, because like, again, getting to know you a little bit here, having an opportunity to interview Lindsay. I mean, listen, opposites do attract a lot, but like in so many ways, you guys could not be further, further apart from people.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
Like clearly what must have made your relationship work in a lot of ways was the way that like you did balance each other out. Right.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
But we've all had our fun with PR Lindsey and things like that. But I guess my question to you, not to necessarily go back to the decision to break up with her, how you broke up with her, and just the fallout. But you are someone who, and I say this as someone who I like to strategize. I think you can be a genuine person and calculated. But you seem a lot less calculated than Lindsey.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
And Lindsey has a PR background. And I couldn't help but wonder, in your defense, whatever your intentions were when you broke up, that must have been in the back of your mind. If I break up with my girlfriend, my fiance, we are public figures, we're on a TV show, she knows what to do here. How do I... To me, it would make sense that you leaned in a way on the show.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
You're just like, oh, well, I'll... Because Natalie had an interesting question. It's interesting that you relied on the show to tell the story, even though the story becomes Bravo's story and not your story. Because even if they wanted to tell the whole story, they got commercials, it's an only hour episode. And was...
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
Was there a part of you doing it on camera that, regardless of your intention and whether you thought it was gonna end up that way or whether you planned that, but letting it play out is because at least Lindsay couldn't control that narrative as well as she's usually good at controlling narratives?
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
That is an excellent point. It's hard to accuse you of being premeditated.
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E879 Going Deeper with Carl Radke
He's come around. Yeah. Well, it's funny that we recap Vanderpump on our, like, Valve House Plus. And, like, last two weeks ago, it was Summer House Rules. Yes. The first episode I was ever on. Reality.