Carol Leonnig

What's going on, Carol?

Tim, I'm so glad to be with you.

I love it when you say one of my favorites, because all of my friends just think I'm so cool that I know you.

Yeah, he did it all.

He wrote the whole thing.

I just do the TV.

You know, we started this book in 2023.

I mean, the reporting for it, obviously...

a subject we were really interested in generally as reporters, but we decided to like step back from the dizzying headlines and try to figure out why is DOJ acting so differently than we have expected?

Why are we, it kind of started with a tip I got that, that,

there was no investigation of Donald Trump's potential effort to overturn the election in 2021.

People were saying to me, you think there's an investigation, there's not.

And when we got going on that road, we realized DOJ was really acting oddly.

And then we thought we need to go deeper and a book lets you.

I'm so tickled that you zone in on those two people and the honors program, because we wanted to introduce the Department of Justice to people who don't cover it, don't know its norms, don't know how venerable an institution it is, don't know the kind of calling that prosecutors and investigators have that people this place.

So

It's a living, breathing institution of these people with this shared mission.

No matter their ideological views, no matter which party they vote for, which most of them don't know among each other who their party affiliation is, what their party affiliation is, these people kind of have a shared mission.

notion of what's right and why we bring prosecutions, why we bring cases.

And it's not because we don't like people and it's not because we have some evidence.