Carol Leonnig
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We can do it.
It's very thoughtful.
So when we open with Camille Shields and David Kent, they are being browbeaten by Donald Trump and
indirectly i mean he's not coming at them specifically but he is pushing pushing pushing the department of justice to criminally charge former acting fbi director andy mccabe who opened an investigation of donald trump right that's his crime but donald trump wanted him charged for other things is it a righteous case like is it in the public interest
to charge this guy with misleading or lying to some federal investigators when he was asked a question about a leak in a newspaper story.
But we also wanted to explain, how do people get this shared vision?
And how do they get these values?
And the Honors Program is the way so many of the people who led the Department of Justice under Joe Biden and even in the first Trump administration
So many of them came up through that program.
It's like the youngest, best, brightest lawyers that came out of law school.
We're grabbing them, we're training them young, and we're going to teach them what it means to represent the United States of America.
Huge fast forward and wow.
I mean, there's an estimate out there that 4,000 FBI agents and federal prosecutors have left the Department of Justice since January 20th.
You know, the afternoon of January 20th, I saw a century worth of DOJ leadership be reassigned and essentially pressured to resign.
People who were in charge of counterterror, George Toskis,
had led most of the counterterror investigations of the last two decades for the Department of Justice.
And poof, he's out.
The people that are still there, and I do talk to quite a few of them, are holding on to something, and that is justice.
that this department needs them, that there are bread and butter cases, not the sexy, you know, grab the headlines, politically tinged cases like Eric Adams, the New York mayor charged with taking bribes or Donald Trump charged with hoarding and concealing and obstructing justice with classified records.
There are bread and butter cases and these people are