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Carol Leonnig

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Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

Where is the Department of Justice on this investigation?

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

That happened in January of 2022, a year after Waleska McClellan had been turned down.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

Yeah, that's right.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

There is an incredible, I apologize for my language here, sphincter tightening in the FBI, just such anxiety about launching on this probe.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

You know, when Thomas Windham goes to the Washington field office and meets with Steve D'Antuono, the head of that office, he says, look, this is the investigation now.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

I'd like you to potentially join me in.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And D'Antuono knows that

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

hey, this is actually a crime I could investigate, which is fascinating since nobody saw that when Maleska McClellan proposed it.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

But he's thinking, okay, this is basic potential wire fraud, mail fraud, people sent in things, they actually signed them from various states and claim to be

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

the electors for their states when they were not, clearly.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

So he's seeing like, okay, there's a potential crime.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

But at headquarters at FBI, Chris Wray, the director, his general counsel, their deputies are all pouring over the documents of how are we going to

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

Later, justify in writing that we are investigating Donald Trump.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And here's the killer on that one.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

What we learned, and nobody had reported at the time, was that the anxiety was so high, they ultimately concluded they wouldn't name Donald Trump as a subject, but they would name Donald Trump's campaign as a subject, along with Rudy Giuliani and some other advisors that they knew were involved in this coordination.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

The clients, so to speak, meaning the lawmakers, the House members who were on the committee, did not want to share.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And they made that very clear to their chief counsel, Tim Heafey.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

They felt like, look, we're about to have televised hearings where we're going to report our findings after interviewing hundreds of people, being way ahead of the Justice Department.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

And we don't want to give up our scoop, so to speak, to the Department of Justice, which has been lagging.

Fresh Air
The Undoing Of The Department Of Justice

You know, the investigators on this team, Aaron and I found it so fascinating when we really pulled back the curtain on this team.