Carol Masser

When we go out into the world, when we're competing against other companies for enterprise contracts, we see, just honestly and candidly, we see Google and we see OpenAI.

Every once in a while, we see a couple other US players.

I have almost never lost a deal, lost a contract to a Chinese model.

But now you have the Trump administration, and I think you've already protested about this.

giving high-speed chips and video chips to the Chinese?

That's right, that's right.

The thing that is holding them back, and they've said it themselves, the CEOs of these companies say it's the embargo on chips that's holding us back.

They explicitly say this.

And now, indeed, there are some policies, and I hope they change their mind, to explicitly send

not quite our latest generation of chips, although it was reported that even that was being considered, but the generation of chips that's just one back, that's still extremely powerful.

And we are many years ahead of China

in terms of our ability to make chips.

So I think it would be a big mistake to ship these chips.

The analogy I've thought of, if you think about the incredible national security implications of building models that are essentially cognition, that are essentially intelligence.

I've called where we're going with this a country of geniuses and a data center.

So imagine 100 million people smarter than any Nobel Prize winner, and it's gonna be under the control of one country or another.

So I think this is crazy.

I think it's a bit like, I don't know, like selling nuclear weapons to North Korea.

Anthropic CEO Dario Amadei there speaking with Bloomberg Editor-in-Chief John Micklethwaite.

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