Carol Murray

And that's why perspective is one of my pieces, one of the pillars in what I speak about.

Because we had different point of view.

We had different perspectives on what that question meant.

And there was a few other things.

It turned out risk and consequences is a big piece of it, too.

And certainly, Kathy, you're working in the oil fields.

You know all about this.

I speak about workplace safety.

And one of the things I talk about is risks and consequences.

We look at risks.

Oh, this is a one in X, Y, Z chance that this isn't going to happen.

So let's save the money or let's do this and let's get home for the game.

But do you think about the mother that's going to get a phone call to say your daughter's parachute didn't open or your son was hurt like on the oil field and they have 12 hours if you're going to live or die?

Do they think about, you know, the years of rehabilitation that comes afterward?

Yeah.

During the training, there was one thing that I got wrong.

We would, they would say, okay, we would stand there and they would say, what happens when you jump out of the plane?

You look over your parachutes.

You make sure it's good and you grab your toggles, which is the controllers to help you navigate where you're going.

And I would say, look over your parachute, grab your toggles.