Caroline Fraser

She was friends with them.

Wow.

She gave him, you know, a ride to the Christmas party.

Yeah.

Well, the thing that we don't really know about Ted Bundy is when he started killing.

He would never answer that question.

And one of the cases that I talk about that really is part of what made me want to write this book is a case of an eight-year-old girl who was abducted in Tacoma.

In 1961, in August of 1961, Anne Marie Burr.

And he was 14 at that time.

And he is now one of the principal suspects, I think, behind her abduction.

So that may have been his first murder.

Yeah.

No, but one of the things that I think the FBI was discovering when they started doing all this investigation of the pasts, the childhood of serial killers, was that this starts really young, that the fantasies and the obsessions with – I mean some of them famously do –

torture or kill the family pets and so forth.

With Ted, that wasn't the case.

I think with him, one of the things you see is that he never knew who his father was.

He was born...

illegitimate at a foundling home in Vermont.

And his mother left him there for a couple of months before she went back and kind of retrieved him.

And that's a common factor with a lot of these guys.