Caroline Wren

They launder oil and gold.

And so I just felt like we were being – we started blowing up boats, or I call it the canoes.

I'm like, I don't really understand what we're doing there.

And I think there were two different – again, this is why I love Trump.

He'll bring in different factions to come and debate, and then he chooses the course to take.

There were factions that wanted a full regime change there, which was to go in, take Maduro, and then bring in MCM, who is the opposition party leader.

I thought that would be a disaster, and especially because –

Venezuela is 23 million people.

They're in our backyard.

They already had a massive migrant crisis that led to them all flowing here.

And so if you start a civil war and just take out the leader in a regime in Venezuela and then just abandon it, then you could see real famine, inflation, and then migration.

But what Trump ended up doing is he took what the real hawkish South Floridians wanted, which was to topple the Maduro regime.

But then by putting Delcy Rodriguez in charge, who was the vice president there, who I've met.

She's very smart and stuff.

And then basically—

He owns her now, right?

She has to do everything they said.

He was able to do it where there was no protesting in the streets, no loss of life, really.

So he kept the regime intact, but we got the objectives we wanted, which was to neutralize what could be a threat there.

I mean, they were closely Iranians and Russians or other...