Caryn Seidman-Becker

I don't think that they believe necessarily in our enterprise identity business.

And that's fine.

I appreciate ShowMe.

When we were on the buy side, we called that evidence-based investors.

When you show them the evidence, they get excited.

And so in the meantime, we buy back stock.

We have a dividend and we just keep building.

So in fairness, and I laugh a little bit in that I was on the buy side and I think I haven't done a great job telling the story or on the IR side.

And I think we can do a better job of creating consistent metrics that we can be measured on.

We have to execute and we have to do a better job of sharing good metrics that people can measure and value the business on.

I think there's quite a few, quite frankly.

I think privacy and data security are a big one.

You see some folks on Capitol Hill negative on the government doing it.

I think there's certainly a concern about Big Brother.

Estonia is a leading country on biometrics.

India with Aadhaar.

Brazil with voting.

China.

There's biometrics.

But I think that that also has another side of it, which is concern about privacy, concern about Big Brother, concern about data security.