Cas Holman

Yeah.

And so part of what we were trying to balance is this was a neighborhood that we had a certain aesthetic expectation.

So giving them.

a junk playground was not an option.

However, we wanted to figure out what's less visually messy and also kind of easier to maintain version of an adventure playground.

So these big blue blocks are like a high density foam.

They feel like a yoga block or something.

So theoretically, there's hundreds of them.

And every day that the kids show up at the playground, it's a different playground.

They do what they need to do.

So they have so much more agency in their play.

They feel really powerful because they're like, I made this giant thing that's bigger than me.

But

Those were kind of ideals that also were part of GMO, not the scale.

But so I was starting to kind of figure out, oh, here are all of these different ways to instill some of these ideals where there's room in the object for children to invent what it is and imagine what it is.

Because increasingly toys are being licensed characters.

There's these beloved characters and you can figure out what Spider-Man is going to do today, but it's still Spider-Man'd.

Right.

And while you're developing your own identity, what if you could be like exploring identity through the toys you're playing with and not have it already have one based on the story that you were given?

Yeah.