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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Rather, and I'm joined by Barbara Walter. It's been a minute. Today we have a very interesting guest, Kaz Holman.
She is a play designer and RISD was a RISD professor.
Very fancy.
Which I'm embarrassed I didn't know about RISD until we started doing this show. Remember we had a guest and you were like, this is shameful that you don't know what RISD is. But now I do. Now you do. She has a book out now called Playful. Playful, ding, ding, ding. Playful. How play shifts our thinking, inspires connection, and sparks creativity.
You know, the second I saw Playful, I was like, let's get Cass in here.
I know. It's very us.
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