Cas Holman (on being playful)
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Wondery Plus subscribers can listen to Armchair Expert early and ad-free right now. Join Wondery Plus in the Wondery app or on Apple Podcasts, or you can listen for free wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome, welcome, welcome to Armchair Expert, Experts on Expert. I'm Dan Rather, and I'm joined by Barbara Walter. It's been a minute. Today we have a very interesting guest, Kaz Holman. She is a play designer and RISD was a RISD professor.
Very fancy.
Which I'm embarrassed I didn't know about RISD until we started doing this show. Remember we had a guest and you were like, this is shameful that you don't know what RISD is. But now I do. Now you do. She has a book out now called Playful. Playful, ding, ding, ding. Playful. How play shifts our thinking, inspires connection, and sparks creativity. You know, the second I saw Playful, I was like, let's get Cass in here.
I know. It's very us.
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I'm back.
Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. Welcome. Thank you for the hug. Of course. I brought you. I hear you have kids. Yes. So you've got a bigger toy. Toy box. I have toys for everybody. And then for you, for the kids.
Thank you so much. Not only do I have kids, but they're very up your alley kids.
Because they play?
They play like motherfuckers. They are playing machines.
We have adult toys. I said I think we should unbox on air.
Okay, great, great, great, great.
Yeah, I think that's hilarious. Yeah.
Gimo?
Gimo.
Gimo.
Gimo. I'm going to open it. It's a genetically modified organism.
I know everything about these. Do you want me to tell you as you open them? Sure. Okay. Why have colors? They're based on bone marrow. That was the inspiration. Also, she thought about color coding the magnets so that you would always know which ones stick together. And then she thought, why not let the kids discover this?
Great. Thank you very much. Wow. In life, sometimes you are confronted by things that you don't know what to do with and you kind of like can flow with it. So why not? Unexpected.
They're mildly perverse, which I like. Yeah. Would you agree, Monty? Isn't there something just a little bit like, ooh.
Yeah.
I love it. In a wonderful way.
External organ style. Yeah, exactly.
I feel like I'm going to break rule number one. I don't even know what it is, but I'm going to ask, how do you win this?
Yeah, that's a perfect setup.
I wonder if that has anything to do with your adulthood-ness. I wonder.
You know what Elsies are? They're very Seussian.
Yeah, they are.
I was just reading last night, Oh, the Places You'll Go to my 10-year-old.
Oh, nice.
And I was looking at the drawings. They're so imaginative and creative. They don't resemble anything you're used to seeing, nor do they even necessarily make sense structurally. There's so much liberty taken by him. That's so fun.
In his drawings, you can see that he's playing. You can tell when he might start a line and not know where it's going. And so I think that for him, drawing was probably kind of free play. I don't know this. I haven't done a deep dive into the process.
I have the same conclusion. It's like, I don't think he sat down to go like, I'm going to make an elephant with a flag. I think he just started drawing and then there was a flag. Then there's a kid with a bugle.
You can tell when someone loves what they do or when it's play for them. The line looks different and the drawing looks different.
This is fun.
Now, here's where we'll bump up against. So we'll have our own isms, Mani, with this book, Playful.
Oh, great.
Yeah, we'll bring to the table our own isms.
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