Cas Holman

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Armchair Expert with Dax Shepard · Cas Holman (on being playful) · 29 Oct 2025 podcast

Definitely.

Exactly.

But it's also that we undervalue the benefit.

That whole workplace was better off because of you.

So say that you actually, we're going to shift it slightly.

Say that you washed one-tenth fewer cars every day.

And we valued efficiency and productivity over joy and cohesion of team.

And probably the clients would like to come there because you all don't look miserable doing a service, performing a service.

If we understand that playfulness and social skills are in fact a value that could be prioritized and compensated for, right?

Because I mean, we see this also in all kinds of offices where the jobs that are like, oh, you just make everybody feel good, but I actually crunch the numbers.

And it's like, so why do you get paid more than I do?

Because we're both critical to this working.

So there's an undervalue of kind of social, forget about it if it's somebody who deals with emotions, then we're really...

Or teachers.

But there's an undervaluing of those as skills that people are often built for and also that they learn and it's a muscle that we exercise as well.

So I think in that case, like it's a really great example of that the playfulness made everything better.

It just wasn't a priority.

Yeah.

For people reading the book or people saying that I want to be more playful, just prioritizing play and letting yourself play.

And then, of course, if you're so far removed from it, you may need to do some work to find your play.

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