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Casey Liss

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Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

But stuff like this, where it's like, oh, if you use it frequently, you'll see fewer dialogues, or if someone just sets the plist key, you'll... According to... I wish I should have pulled the quote from Snell, but he was saying his understanding is that every time you use the app, essentially, it kicks the can down the road a little bit farther for you seeing the dialogue.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

But stuff like this, where it's like, oh, if you use it frequently, you'll see fewer dialogues, or if someone just sets the plist key, you'll... According to... I wish I should have pulled the quote from Snell, but he was saying his understanding is that every time you use the app, essentially, it kicks the can down the road a little bit farther for you seeing the dialogue.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

And if that's true, you could just keep using the app every day and never see the dialogue, but... Like, what are we even doing here? If this is one Google search away from, you know, a domestic abuser making it so you never see this dialogue, we're not getting any benefit and you're just annoying people who don't benefit from this feature at all. Anyway, glad to see Apple's still working on it.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

And if that's true, you could just keep using the app every day and never see the dialogue, but... Like, what are we even doing here? If this is one Google search away from, you know, a domestic abuser making it so you never see this dialogue, we're not getting any benefit and you're just annoying people who don't benefit from this feature at all. Anyway, glad to see Apple's still working on it.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

This is a weird one. It came up because I actually use this. Sequoia now requires global hotkeys to use at least one modifier that is not shift or option. possibly only for sandbox apps, so I haven't been able to confirm that. A global modifier is like, if you know, hit Command-Shift-3 to take a screenshot, right? It doesn't matter what app you're in.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

This is a weird one. It came up because I actually use this. Sequoia now requires global hotkeys to use at least one modifier that is not shift or option. possibly only for sandbox apps, so I haven't been able to confirm that. A global modifier is like, if you know, hit Command-Shift-3 to take a screenshot, right? It doesn't matter what app you're in.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

That keyboard shortcut, in theory, works anywhere in macOS. That's a global keyboard shortcut. And in Sequoia, you better use a modifier that's not shifter optional. You can't do it. And the reason this comes up for me is I have a... I had...

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

That keyboard shortcut, in theory, works anywhere in macOS. That's a global keyboard shortcut. And in Sequoia, you better use a modifier that's not shifter optional. You can't do it. And the reason this comes up for me is I have a... I had...

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

although I think I still have it because I think the app's not sandboxed, a global key modifier in Keyboard Maestro, which is option C, which centers the front mouse window, which is surprisingly useful if you're taking screenshots and stuff like that. And it's a cool thing that Keyboard Maestro can do. And I used option C because I couldn't think of any app that I used where option C was a

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

although I think I still have it because I think the app's not sandboxed, a global key modifier in Keyboard Maestro, which is option C, which centers the front mouse window, which is surprisingly useful if you're taking screenshots and stuff like that. And it's a cool thing that Keyboard Maestro can do. And I used option C because I couldn't think of any app that I used where option C was a

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

I guess if Keyboard Meister was a sandbox app, that wouldn't work. And there's a comment in Apple's developer forums from an Apple Frameworks engineer saying the following. This was an intentional change in Mac OS Sequoia to limit the ability of key logging malware to observe keys in other applications.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

I guess if Keyboard Meister was a sandbox app, that wouldn't work. And there's a comment in Apple's developer forums from an Apple Frameworks engineer saying the following. This was an intentional change in Mac OS Sequoia to limit the ability of key logging malware to observe keys in other applications.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

The issue of concern was that shift and option can be used to generate alternate characters and passwords, such as the zero with a line through it, which is shift option O. So this is like... Basically, apps can't, I guess, again, maybe it's only sandbox app, can't monitor for keystrokes globally that use shift and option because those are modifiers that you might use when typing a password.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

The issue of concern was that shift and option can be used to generate alternate characters and passwords, such as the zero with a line through it, which is shift option O. So this is like... Basically, apps can't, I guess, again, maybe it's only sandbox app, can't monitor for keystrokes globally that use shift and option because those are modifiers that you might use when typing a password.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

A lot of people in the forums also had trouble parsing like, yeah, but... is this like, how does it stop key logging? Aren't they just registering with this like an API call to register for a hotkey? They're just registering for option C. They're not going to see any other keystrokes unless someone hits option C. How could you get someone's password that way?

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

A lot of people in the forums also had trouble parsing like, yeah, but... is this like, how does it stop key logging? Aren't they just registering with this like an API call to register for a hotkey? They're just registering for option C. They're not going to see any other keystrokes unless someone hits option C. How could you get someone's password that way?

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

It's very confusing, but clearly it was intentional. And so, yeah, I hope you didn't have any global hotkeys that used either only shift or only option.

Accidental Tech Podcast
608: Boot to Toot

It's very confusing, but clearly it was intentional. And so, yeah, I hope you didn't have any global hotkeys that used either only shift or only option.