Casey Newton

So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.

So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.

So there is a big lawsuit. filed by the New York Times against OpenAI, essentially for the same reasons, and that is now unfolding. It is an open legal question whether it can be permitted for a company like Google to go in and look at all of the articles that a publisher like Platformer has ever published and use those to train a large language model.

The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.

The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.

The case for it being illegal is, hey, you're stealing my work. Knock it off. Don't do that. You're just like taking my labor and using it to make something valuable. I don't want you to do that. So maybe it's illegal. The case that it is legal, though, is, I don't know, all of us are allowed to go and read webpages and form thoughts and do other things based on that information.

And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.

And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.

And these LLMs are not reproducing what they are ingesting perfectly in most cases. And so are you really going to tell computers that they can't read the internet? Because guess what? Computers are already reading the internet in all sorts of ways. So this is just going to have to get litigated.

But of course, all of the big tech companies are just making the bet that courts are going to side with the big corporations here and the publishers are going to be out of luck.

But of course, all of the big tech companies are just making the bet that courts are going to side with the big corporations here and the publishers are going to be out of luck.

But of course, all of the big tech companies are just making the bet that courts are going to side with the big corporations here and the publishers are going to be out of luck.

Some people do think that. Some people will say that ChatGPT and Google Gemini are like the fruit of a poisoned tree, that because you used all this copyrighted material in the creation of them, you will actually have to destroy them. But vanishingly few people I've spoken to think that is a likely outcome.

Some people do think that. Some people will say that ChatGPT and Google Gemini are like the fruit of a poisoned tree, that because you used all this copyrighted material in the creation of them, you will actually have to destroy them. But vanishingly few people I've spoken to think that is a likely outcome.

Some people do think that. Some people will say that ChatGPT and Google Gemini are like the fruit of a poisoned tree, that because you used all this copyrighted material in the creation of them, you will actually have to destroy them. But vanishingly few people I've spoken to think that is a likely outcome.

I can't figure that out yet. I had an opportunity back when Platformer was still on Substack. If you want to know why we're not there, that's another great story that you can Google. For now. And they had some kind of toggle where I could say, don't train your LLMs on Platformer, you rogues. And I didn't switch it on. Because number one, Platformer publishes like three articles a week, okay?

I can't figure that out yet. I had an opportunity back when Platformer was still on Substack. If you want to know why we're not there, that's another great story that you can Google. For now. And they had some kind of toggle where I could say, don't train your LLMs on Platformer, you rogues. And I didn't switch it on. Because number one, Platformer publishes like three articles a week, okay?

I can't figure that out yet. I had an opportunity back when Platformer was still on Substack. If you want to know why we're not there, that's another great story that you can Google. For now. And they had some kind of toggle where I could say, don't train your LLMs on Platformer, you rogues. And I didn't switch it on. Because number one, Platformer publishes like three articles a week, okay?

We're a very low volume publisher. We've never, frankly, even relied on Google for very much of our traffic. I started a newsletter because I didn't want to have to fight platform algorithms for the rest of my life. I just wanted to write about them. So I've never thought that... whatever happens in Google is necessarily gonna be like curtains for a platform.

We're a very low volume publisher. We've never, frankly, even relied on Google for very much of our traffic. I started a newsletter because I didn't want to have to fight platform algorithms for the rest of my life. I just wanted to write about them. So I've never thought that... whatever happens in Google is necessarily gonna be like curtains for a platform.